Your honestly somewhat set, depending on what part of the country you are from. ED you are very competitive, but you’re crapshooting for RA
“But at Dartmouth there was not much discrimination against Asian Americans”
That’s what you quoted from the article you chose to post.
How do you get from that quote (“not much discrimination”) to your original statement that “Unlike the other Ivies, being Asian is almost like being a URM” at Dartmouth.
Seriously, I’m not interested in having a dumb internet fight with you. I think your original statement strongly implies that being an Asian would give you a big bump at Dartmouth (which is what being “like an URM” means) and I think that is a) false and b) not supported at all by any evidence you have offered.
Even the weaker version of argument - that Dartmouth is more “Asian-friendly” than the other Ivies - is not supported by anything you have said or posted, except for your rather silly inference that the relative low numbers of Asians enrolled at Dartmouth (compared to the other Ivies) somehow supports.it. That’s why I posted the Yogi Berra quote, because the logic is the same. Perhaps Dartmouth’s smaller proportion of enrolled Asians is caused by fewer Asians (proportionally) applying to what is considered (fairly or not) a lower tier school than HYP?
Asian are not “under-represented” demographically at any of the Ivies - the numbers are multiples higher than their percentages of the overall population, so the idea that being Asian is going to give you a boost at Dartmouth or anywhere else because they are “like an URM” is just ridiculous.
(Note: If you look at the college age populations versus the overall population, or MAYBE if you look at average test scores of applicants, or some other breakdown, there might be evidence that being Asian hurts your chance of acceptance at some elite colleges. That’s why there are complaints / ongoing lawsuits / people who accept this as a given.)
I’ve said all I have to say on this, and I really didn’t want to totally sidetrack the thread - I just wanted to correct what I believe is an unsupported assertion you made. I tried to do it without turning it into an argument by trying to point out the flaws in your logic (and using a little humor) but now I think I’ve laid out my objections in some detail, so I’m done here. I am not interested in debating this further.
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Wow!!! You conveniently left out the whole quote by the admissions officer (not me) that I posted which was
It is in fact you, who have repeatedly failed to support any of your arguments about what I have said except to make ad hominem attacks against me and ignore when I do present supporting evidence, both in terms of an actual admissions officers insights and by showing figures that Dartmouth historically admits a lot fewer Asians than the other Ivies. Again, you offer not a single shred of evidence contrary to the position I cited that that “Asians are viewed as a historical minority” (which again you conveniently left out of your rebuttal) .
I am no expert on Dartmouth, but I spent a quite a lot of time on Dartmouth’s campus and know two former admissions officers. I also enjoy status as a professor at an another Ivy League school so i can teach as a a visiting professor. I don’t know if you’ve even set foot on the campus but you are quick to dismiss things that you apparently know very little about. Spend time on the campus and talk to students and faculty to form your opinions. This is the best way to do proper research rather than silly attacks that have no facts or figures to support what you are saying.
I also saw in your most recent post in other thread that you just backpedaled on your heretofore adamant stance that ED offers no advantage at Dartmouth, so apparently you are selectively starting to believe what the admissions officer wrote. Good decision, I also would take the AO’s words over your speculations any day of the week. Too bad your understanding about “minority” applications and enrollment at Dartmouth is still in need better understanding but i am hopeful you will come around in this too. Regarding minorities (news flash - Asians are minorities too in this country), I said they “almost” enjoy URM status at Dartmouth given the low level of the enrolled student relative to their peer colleges.
I too wish to stop the back and forth. It takes a big person to admit when they are wrong and it is not happening here.
Good luck to the OP, I will reiterate my opinion, applying ED will give you a slight boost, being low income will also help and being an Asian female interested in STEM will help more at a college at Dartmouth than the other Ivies in general. This is my opinion based upon what i have seen and heard. Others may have different opinions, however, they seem completely unsupported at present.
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You should try to familiarize yourself with what “ad hominem” actually means, before throwing accusations around casually, both on the internet and in real life. Someone disagreeing with you is NOT an attack of any sort, and certainly not “ad hominem.”
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I am sure you can figure out the problem here on your own.
Original quote from the article:
“…since they were considered a historical minority at the school.”
Your rephrasing of the quote:
“Asians are viewed as a historical minority”
Also, the article is from 3 years ago, and the quotes are from someone described as a “former admissions officer,” so the information may not have even reflected the current situation at the time, let alone today.
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I did not back track on my views about ED. My position has always been that it is a small boost (on the order of maybe +5% or so), not some giant multiplier / boost that some people like to infer just by comparing the ED rate to the RD rate. This has consistently been my position both in posts here on this site, and for a long time before that.
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“It takes a big person to admit when they are wrong and it is not happening here.”
I agree. It also takes some maturity to recognize that people disagreeing with you is not an attack.
Good luck in your future endeavors.
MODERATOR’S NOTE:
I do not recall the OP asking for a debate on some of the finer points of the admissions process. At this point, let’s assume that you will agree to disagree and if you wish to have further conversation on the subject, you can take it to PM.