chance me for emory

Colleges and Universities A-Z Emory University
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Hey everyone! I am a rising senior looking to apply to Emory and then get admitted into their goizueta undergrad business school. In addition, I am really into USC as well so if you could use this to chance me for that as well id really appreciate it. What I really need to know is how much these schools value course rigor/subject tests. I am going to BOMB math 2 as I keep scoring in the 500s on practice tests. I also dont want to take ap calc BC because I HATED AB, but will they look at this like I just started slacking??? LMK!

UW GPA: 3.95
Weighted GPA: 5.2 or 4.4 (my school has 3 GPAS I never know which one is which)
Class Rank: 7 out of 580ish
Sidenote: I go to a poop public high school thats rated a “-B school.” is this going to look bad on my application??? that I only look good in comparison because im surrounded by mediocrity???

SAT- single sitting 1420, superscore 1480 (will NOT be sending)
ACT- 33 C (R 35, E 35, M 30, S 30) — 34 super score (R 35, E 35, M 32, S 32)

AP’s: im 8/9 on passing AP exams.
calc AB - 2
bio - 3
capstone research - 3
capstone seminar - 3
enviro - 4
us history - 4
world - 4
lang - 4
human geo - 4
Do I submit all of them??? or only 4 + ???

Subject Tests: Taking math 2 in august for the first time (only going to send if 780+) I need to know is this DIRE for these business schools???

Senior Course Load:
AP Macro
AP Micro
AP calc BC (maybe)
AP Stats
AP Lit
AP Econ/gov
AICE thinking skills
DECA
Debate

ECs:
MAO all 4 years (math team)
NHS sophomore-senior year
Peer Pals all 4 years (club for kids with disabilities)
DECA all 4 years - won state awards all 4 years, international qualifier all 4 years, top 20 international finalist junior year
Debate all 4 years
Co-founded Launchx program at my school
Founded “Fostering the Future of Finance” - organization that teaches kids aging out of the foster care system financial literacy

Work:
Worked from 2016-2018 at math franchise Mathnasium
Summer of junior year held paid internship with Bright Star Credit Union working in the operations department (worked on fraudulent checks, subpoenas, loan applications, etc)

Volunteer:
Buddy sports 6 years (local organization that helps disabled kids learn how to play sports)
Coached Recreational Basketball Team of 7th graders for the city of Coral Springs
Head Sports Specialist at Camp Jenny (organization that sends inner-city Atlanta kids to sleep away camp over Labor Day weekend)

Leadership:
Debate co prez junior year, co prez senior year
DECA VP of activities senior year

Essays:
refuse to go into detail here but it is supperrrrrrr unique and demonstrates what I’ve learned at 3 major points in my life to form me who I am today and I am looking forward to writing it

thank let me know!

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In terms of getting “Chanced” for elite colleges / universities like USC or Emory, it is virtually impossible for others to predict what may or may not occur in your specific case. With an admit rate now of only 13%, and with 3K+ applicants with test scores in the 99th percentile among those not gaining admission, your success when applying to USC, for example, will instead likely depend on too many potential factors for anyone to correctly evaluate… making predicting admission nearly impossible.

In terms of USC, I suggest reading an excellent thread on the topic from the beginning…

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-southern-california/1558825-what-are-my-chances-read-this-first-p1.html

I also suggest reading through the following very helpful insider’s guide to USC admissions…

https://tfm.usc.edu/a-guide-to-uscs-college-admissions-process/

As for Emory, the #s may be more in your favor vs USC, simply due to the # of applicants. But… both are highly competitive and should be consider reaches for all applicants.

Good Luck…

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I don’t believe the numbers at Emory are in anyone’s favor as opposed to USC. Emory GPA and test scores are still a bit above USC’s for admitted students, so maybe those stats mean that USC is more, but not necessarily stronger applicants when it comes to statistics. Emory is not statistics driven in any case, so it is just too hard to chance applicants.

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@WWWard @ljberkow @joerbnsn : It is really hard to tell how either of these are choosing. USC’s volume is too high, but Emory has slightly “better” admits/matriculates in terms of incoming stats I think, but I don’t put too much stock in that as they are so compressed at all these elite schools. The difference is sort of irrelevant. I do feel as if this slight “quality” difference may smooth out differences in the admit rate though. If I had to guess, the chances of admission are probably very similar, but I suspect they admit and tend to draw different types of students (personality and career goal wise) as they have completely different vibes and locations, and even curricula. I would say that these schools have a similar trajectory, but are just not the same. They should be visited first and felt out to the best of the OPs ability. I liken USC more to a Virginia, Vanderbilt, maybe dare I say it, UCLA. Emory is a D-3 school that is much smaller and a more “academic” leaning if you know what I mean. The culture is very different in many ways.

And OP: You should stop taking APs and SAT2s in things you don’t enjoy. What is the point? Find something you enjoy, dig deep into it, let it fill a portion of your resume and then sell it in the essays and supplements. As for schools…please. Don’t get it twisted, most students are not coming from the “best” schools, and were just those who did well in the context of a basic school. Any non-STEM school with common sense, especially Emory, evaluates the applicant in the context of their specific school, locale, and as much as they can glean from the context as possible. So you can do with that what you will because no one here can tell your chances. There are plenty of denials, acceptances, and wait-list offers for all of those who seem like even ideal candidates. That is just the truth. I won’t pretend that I know your chances or have some “feeling”. I am not an adcom.

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I concur with the sentiment above that demonstrating a single passion and explaining it well in your essay(s) is of critical importance, as is the Why ____? explanation. Explain why you are applying to Emory, USC, etc. What specifically about the individual schools and its offerings attract you. Moreover, what specifically or potentially uniquely do you bring to that college or university. With the total # of applicants soaring, you need to find a way to stand out in a crowded field of quality applicants. And that reason or rationale for accepting you cannot these days be simply quantifiable in terms of grades or test scores. They want it to be told to them more specifically and intimately via your personal statement(s) and/or demonstrated via your background, leadership experience, ECs, etc.

Chance Me threads have become fairly pointless. These days it is simply too hard to predict outcomes, especially when you are dealing with any of the colleges or universities deemed elite or say Top-25 / Top-30.

In 2017, my younger daughter was admitted to Princeton, Emory, Rice, UTexas and USC while also being rejected by UVa, Northwestern, Yale, Brown, Stanford, Vanderbilt and Duke. She went 8 and 7 overall, but we clearly would have guessed admissions to UVa, Duke, Northwestern or Vanderbilt and a rejection from Princeton versus the other way around. It just shows that you can never tell or predict. It also demonstrates the need for applying to many and having a good mix between reach, match and safety schools. And if the school is Top-30, its by definition not a match.
Those schools are reaches for everyone simply because of all the potential variables at play. Ultimately, my daughter narrowed her top 3 down to USC, Emory and Princeton, but then chose USC (where her big sister already was).

@ljberkow @bernie12 What I meant by the #s is this… over the last few cycle’s, USC has turned down 3K+ applicants with 4.0 unweighted GPAs and test scores in the 99th percentile. With 65K applicants, and an admit rate now of only 13% or so, they are forced to turn down tens of thousands of stellar applicants who are then baffled that they did not get in. Most likely considered USC a match school incorrectly. USC, for example, chose to turn away more kids with nearly perfect stats than Princeton even admits overall (3K+ vs only 1,990). USC could of course choose to only admit kids with top stats, but they are instead looking to craft a diverse and well-rounded freshman class. Both of my daughters chose to attend USC. Whatever the old perceptions of USC may be, that is clearly not the USC that I know well now. Over the last decade, they have changed dramatically from what they once were.

Good luck to all of those in the upcoming admission cycle… and especially those trying to gain admission to Emory. It is a great school.

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Hmmm. @bernie12 I am not so sure that the student bodies of Emory and USC are all that different. The biggest difference is where they are from. While both have very national student bodies, Emory still is more Northeast, Mid-Atlantic, and Southeast. The demographics are similar. Both universities have strong business schools, but other majors are separate them. I agree with both of you that chancing applicants makes little sense for either school and it can only get an applicant’s hopes too high or too low. I agree with @WWWard and portfolio application strategies. Kids who come up with one dream school are doing themselves no favors. I can see picking one favorite and doing an ED1 application to that school to boost chances, but other than that, the portfolio approach which also include state flagships, makes for a better strategy and takes some of the edge off.

For business majors, the best advice is to apply to Kelley at Indiana University. It is clearly one of the top business schools in the country. They have rolling admissions, which means you can find out even before ED applications are due. They are also formulaic. If you have a 1400 on your SAT, you WILL be admitted. If you are accepted to Kelley, it just takes so much of the edge off of the entire process.

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@ljberkow : That makes a difference as well as what each school is known for academically and socially. They are or at least should be regarded as very different, but amazing schools. I would pray that applicants and matriculates know and reflect this.

@WWWard : That absolute number does not matter as the schools receive a different amount and Emory, like most schools is not particularly transparent in who it admits or denies at the level of detail USC provides. I am thinking Brown is one of the few privates (or any types) other than USC who does. All we know is that most of these top schools are denying a ridiculous % (versus the applicant pool) of seemingly perfect students. Also, I have no clue what a 4.0 means at some high schools. If you have read me, I am really not the type to measure the caliber and feel of a school by what I see in its admissions trends, especially if we are talking about high tier schools in the first place. It just is useless. Some schools have different curricula, undergraduate offerings, histories, and overall institutional culture that will make for big differences in which types of high caliber (numerically) students choose to attend. Numbers and their increasing trends do not tell us everything once a school has been great or elite for a while If that were the case, all of WUSTL and VU’s marketing and increased scores to levels of HYP would mean that their schools feel like HYP and deliver the same academics as HYP or the same social atmosphere as HYP. They don’t because they aren’t HYP which have distinct characters and cultures even among themselves. Many students are aware of these differences no matter how well they score or rank their chances of admission versus some “more prestigious” place. I will not be distracted by the interesting games being played by marketing and admissions at these elite schools, including Emory (though Emory clearly tries less hard than some others). Regardless of admissions trends, folks will know that Princeton is a very different atmosphere from USC, and USC Emory for that matter. Shame on them if they don’t because they only paid attention to admissions statistics and progress in visibility and “prestige”.

Now financial aid moving people around and making people consider some places over others regardless of fit can have an impact, but there are no doubt “fit effects” that result in schools having certain vibes irregardless of their statistical student body quality. Some of this has been created by the adcoms at each in their attempt to support or create a certain institutional culture (whether it is the status quo but with high stats students or a transition to a newer feel to match changing institutional priorities)

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bump

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@joerbnsn
Your stats get you in the door , albeit they aren’t great for an unhooked applicant.

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@joerbnsn

Once Emory updates its admissions website, look there to see how they want you to report your AP scores, SAT scores and ACT scores. In past years, Emory superscored SAT scores but did not superscore ACT scores. I believe AP score reporting was optional.

But things may change this year or may not.

I agree that your best chance with Emory is ED1 (which is different from ED2).

Further you should consider applying to the Oxford College campus at Emory if you like smaller class sizes and more of a liberal arts feel.

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The only issue I see with Oxford is that @joerbnsn would have to wait until junior year to enter Goizueta Business School. With enough AP credits, Emory College students can enter in spring of their sophomore years if they have 56 credit hours. Oxford College students cannot enroll until after they receive an Associate of Arts degree from Oxford. He would be on pace to enroll as a second semester sophomore with those AP credits. It’s certainly not necessary to enroll early, but it could make study abroad semester and internships more doable.

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I have decided to ED1 because both my valedictorian and salutatorian are applying RD and theres no shot I would be accepted along with them. I have a lot of friends going to UGA so I am excited for game days there. I also love that emory business does no Friday classes so after freshman year ill always have 3 day weekends. My entire extended fam lives in buckhead so my parents have motive to visit often. all around it seems like a perfect fit for me. I tour later this month and im really excited.

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@joerbnsn
If that’s the case, send the two SAT scores. Since Emory does not superstore the ACT and a 1480 is better than a 33.

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@joerbnsn : That logic does not make sense. They could very well accept all 3 or more of you and perhaps even deny 1 or both of those. This stuff is not formulaic.

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i agree but i go to a really bad public school…its rated a C and i know emory cares A LOT about school prestig. idk im really fond of it personally. if i didnt ED emory id be EDing upenn and if i did that id kill myself to get a 34 single sitting on ACT, a 750 + on 2 subject tests and force myself to take AP Calc. Emory seems like a better fit for me and will allow me to enjoy my senior year more. do you think im a good match if i ED?

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@joerbnsn : No, it doesn’t. A solid/far better than expected performance from a lame school (most) will get more nods than really really really above national average performances from “good” schools because those are a dime a dozen. Sometimes they’ll be choosier from those schools because they know that excellence is a norm, and they may not want saturation from those schools over time (Emory isn’t like Harvard which clearly loved to pull disproportionately from certain private schools). If Emory cared so much about prestigious schools, it would not go out of its way to recruit through Quest bridge in higher numbers/percentages than peer universities.
As for: “Enjoy your senior year more”? Something sounds off about that. To me, I am beginning to wonder if you are identifying Emory as a good fit for the right reasons as also based on another post. You need to know that you are going into a very competitive environment and to get wherever you want to go with your business degree, you’ll have to match up to those very competitive students who probably didn’t think of fits based upon whether there were classes on fridays or how “flexible” and “enjoyable” a senior year is. After all, you should be doing capstone activities/courses, and recruitment prep then and junior year. With GBS, being a 2 year program, the recruitment phase and courseload once in GBS is more academically strenuous than it could be at many 4 year b-school programs. The “competition” (your peers) will be very aggressive and not be looking towards GBS because they project that they’ll have a funner senior year than elsewhere (I seriously doubt it honestly).

Many students like a GBS style experience because of the academic quality and access to ECAS as there are increasing amounts of double majors in ECAS. It is more so for academic reasons. I would think of other reasons that Emory is a “great fit” if I were you, because these reasons do not sound convincing. I feel as if there are many options that are pretty good and would be “fun”.

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@joerbnsn
Also, it still seems like you like USC more. If that’s the case apply early there.

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@ljberkow @joerbnsn

When I was at Oxford College of Emory (about 2 years ago), students who had fulfilled Oxford’s academic requirements and the requirements of Emory College or Goizueta were allowed to leave Oxford and attend Emory College or Goizueta.

People would fulfill Oxford’s academic requirements after only 3 semesters with AP credits, summer classes or by overloading their coursework (taking more than 4 courses per semester).

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@joerbnsn : I just got what you meant by senior year…eh don’t worry about it. Find a REAL fit based upon substantive things other than the 3 day week-end and stuff, and go for it! If Wharton is it, give it a shot. If you seriously think Emory is still a solid fit after it out of more than just convenience (what you described as “fit” did just sound like “fun” and convenience), maybe ED2?

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@BiffBrown You know Oxford best, but GBS does not make it easy for Oxford students to enroll in spring of their sophomore years. The Associate of Arts degree and 60 credit hours are required from Oxford students and only 56 hours for Emory College students. It also requires moving in the middle of the year and getting a new roommate and housing. If it’s junior status, that housing may be off campus at Claremont. As you say, it can be done. It just doesn’t seem like an ideal path.