Chance me for these T-20 Universities

Your grades and scores put you in the pool for any school, including those you have listed. The problem is that there are a lot of students in those pools and not all can be accepted.

If you loved UMass and would be happy there, I’d say have that be your safety and spend your time trying to get into another. However, you’ve said you aren’t happy if UMass is your only choice so other posters are suggesting to find other schools where your admission is guaranteed or at least more likely.

It’s up to you. If you want to go for broke and just apply to all reaches, you can because I really do think you’ll get in to UMass.

Be careful with assumptions about “cutthroat.” This isn’t about the tough-grading high school teacher who provides a fulfilling challenge. You have no idea yet what the premed weeding process is like. Brutal. Anecdotes include testing on material not covered in class or the texts. There are more cooperative programs.

NU -Northwestern University.

This point is one that you still need to focus on. It may be unlikely, but all the regular posters here have seen super strong students strike out and in bits in April when the only place left is the place that they feel is a mark of failure. Admissions math is unforgiving. The idea that ‘if I apply to a lot of them, I’ll surely get into one of them’ doesn’t always hold up- especially when they are all super-selectives.

Ironically, one of the usual examples of how idiosyncratic admissions can be usually includes a tube (“if the orchestra that year really needs a tuba the tuba player might get the nod over somebody with similar profile”). You have the french horn, which is for these purposes the same thing. The places that have said that they are interested in hearing/seeing you play are a good sign (don’t get giddy- it’s not a great sign, b/c typically the orchestra might get a tip or a nod, but it doesn’t get the weight that sports does!).

So, look for places that would have something you could feel was an achievement: an outstanding orchestra, a full ride, a location or campus element that fits you.

Finally, you have great stats, and one great EC. The lack of pre-med type stuff that I have seen a lot of references to doesn’t bother me at all, but what does is that your other ECs don’t tell a story (or show a lot of staying power- 1 year of crew, 2 years of track, lots of generic clubs). Tighten them so that a stranger can see how they make sense of you/your story. Fewer / stronger > more / more generic.

ps, Tulane is often used as a fall-back, which annoys them. As a result, they look for signs that the student is actually interested in them (esp with very high stats applicants)- guessing that accounts for some of the surprising rejections that you have seen with schoolmates.

*btw, that almost certainly will not be W&M, btw- the only option there is the 1693, which pays the equivalent of in-state tuition / room / board, but is a 2 step application process that is wildly selective, and looks particularly for student leaders with a strong community focus

Assuming you would be happy at UMASS (full disclosure - UMASS grad and loved it but that was many moons ago. I hear it’s even better now!) Your list is fine. As someone pointed out, whether the rest are reaches or matches doesn’t really matter.

34 is a great score. It won’t hurt you anywhere.

Congrats on all your hard work and best of luck gaining admission to several on your list. I think you’ll have some cool choices. Just don’t get too emotionally committed to school A or B since they are mostly reaches. View any acceptances as a bonus.

@benandjerrys101 I did not mean to alarm you. My definition of a safety is pretty conservative - auto-admit for stats or >50% acceptance rate with stats in upper range of admitted students. Fordham’s entering class for 2019 had an average GPA of 3.75, a mid 50% ACT range of 30-33, and over half of admitted students were in the top 10% of their class. Acceptance rate was 46%. By my definition that would be a match, YMMV.

https://www.fordham.edu/info/24633/admission_facts

With your profile, I expect that you’d get in, probably with some merit. However, the admissions landscape can change rapidly from year to year and Fordham is becoming increasingly popular.

BTW, when we visited Princeton a few years back, we were told that admissions appreciated depth in performing arts and welcomed supplements to demonstrate skill in music, dance, etc. I hope that you do well with your audition.

I’d ease up on this idea that UMass isn’t good enough. Work on this mindset asap, so you can be rational when results come through. And mature.

The competition for the reaches is nutso. There are thousands of kids who worked on rigor and ECs for 3.5 years, can show a range of traits from persistents/commitment to balanced thinking and both depth and breadth in activities. And found time for solid community service (which I distiguish from the simple vol hours many clubs or NHS offer) for needy around them. And a job.

The music is good, though tuba is rarer than French Horn. See if the chance to play for a prof (not sure it’s technically an "audition) will yield a letter to adcoms.

Adding, the med-interested kids who do have health environment ECs can get that check-mark because they tied this interest to opportunities around them. It’s awareness, vision, and follow-through. Many have stuck with those sorts of activities (in addn to others) for some time. It’s something that “shows” or backs up their goals, rather than just telling.

Case Western would be a very good match for you - they’re very strong in pre-med and health-related careers, have lots of opportunities with the Cleveland Clinic, and are well-known for music and have a partnership with the Cleveland Institute of Music, weekly drawings for free tickets to the Cleveland Orchestra, etc.

@lookingforward Yes tuba is less common, but, not to toot my own horn (pun intended), as the UPenn director said in his email back to me, french horn “is an area in which we can always use more good players.” It’s one of the most difficult instruments if not the most difficult (as someone who teaches it to beginners I almost forgot how hard it was initially to learn). So that may help me

Slight issue: I will be getting my first ever B+ this term due to an extremely unfair test and APUSH class in general. How will that affect my chances? I’m really frustrated about it.

OP, holistic means every part of the app matters. Where there’s deficiency or an issue, and the college is an uber reach, no one should assume some aspect will tip over that.

I just feel so defeated…should I talk to my teacher the week before the term ends? I have an 89…I just wish he’d round it up.

Is it worth asking him for some help?

There’s no harm in talking to your teacher but you should do it now; at the end of the term, it’s too late. Plus, you need to understand that it is his option.
Welcome to the world of “unfair” school practices.

When you go to a university, you will be in classes where professors rule the lecture, and the tests may seem “unfair”. You have to go in fully prepared with notes from your office hours’ visits.

My kids attended all available tutoring sessions. My middle daughter ended up with a professor who took most of her test questions from the myriad of supplemental readings. If you didn’t attend the tutoring sessions, you didn’t know which supplementals were being used.

I had professors who expected you to “know” the readings, in addition to reading the supplemental assignments, placed on 2hr checkouts, at the library. He checked to see who “checked” the readings. I attended the local instate uni, but we had to go across town to the med school library at the local UC to check out the shared journals for both uni’s. No matter where you go, it’s not a walk in the park.

I think you have an excellent, ambitious list. Your stats are similar to my youngest’s and some of your choices overlap.

Things have gotten extremely competitive in college admissions. 20 years ago, I’d have agreed with some of your categorizations of the schools’ selectivies. Now, it’s more up in the air.

Like you, my youngest had early apps out. He applied EArly to about 8 schools. He was accepted to all of them. His state school and two other OOS flagships with automatic Merit money were his safety schools along with Fordham. But, just a little bit of info…Fordham is no safety for females, totally unconnected applicants. I’ve been surprised at who they have deferred. UMich has become very unpredictable for OOS EA applicants. Though he was accepted, ALL of his classmates who applied EA were deferred. They were eventually BC accepted—those who kept their apps open, but some of those deferred were accepted to even more highly selective schools. It makes me believe that UMich is tired of being an EA safety to those applying to the top s hooks , particularly in certain majors like Business, Engineering, premed. I know 2 kids accepted to MIT, deferred from UMich. Tgg BF rt had excellent essays that won them outside awards, so I doubt that was a hang up. One was accepted to Penn as well as both being accepted to schools that scrutinize the more holistic aspects of essays far better than a school of UMich’s size.

I do not see anything wrong with your list. Yes, it would have been great if you had fallen in love with UMass or other true safety school, but that’s not the way it usually works. You have applied early to some schools as a great litmus test that will also snag you with your safety admissions.

You will have applied to a lot of schools, so you’ll have Somme choices. Princeton, as you know is a very high reach. None of us have a clue how much impact your instrument “audition” and personal audience with that prof will have. My friend’s son was not accepted at top reach schools with stats up in their top 25% with Oboe as his hook. And he was a conservatory level oboist. I guess it all depends upon how badly they want the instruments and who else applying this admissions cycle. I know kids who did get in through A member of the faculty advocating their admissions due to something that department wanted, but it’s a wild card that has little predictive value. Hopefully, it does help you. Princeton is a lottery ticket anyways, and you do not have the academic numbers to be accepted without a hook.

JHU as a premed, RD is also a lottery ticket. Do contact their band, directly.

Though you can characterize your matches as such, I consider most of them in the reach category. A lot of the kids I know applied to BC, most had stats like yours, and about half were accepted. Which could be characterized as a match, being 50/50 Guys tend to do better in admissions there is what I’ve noticed. Lehigh and William and Mary, again are matches for kids of your stats, but again, we are talking coin flip chances, less with Wm&Mary, IMO. OOS accept numbers are far lower than the composite.

Cornell is a reach but I think more of a possibility, especially as a second year auto admit if you complete a year satisfactorily elsewhere. A lot of Kids get that kind of contingent offer

Tufts is no ones safety unless your school has some connection with them. I’ve seen top kids denied there.

But reach schools, highly selective schools are exactly that— difficult to gain admissions. It’s the season to give them a go as you wish and just see what happens. Most of your schools are lottery tickets. As long as you understand that, and brace yourself, your list is fine. With my kid, I had an early to Tulane, Penn State and Villanova in Addition to what I felt were his safeties, and they all panned out for him. His ED choice accepted him so prepared apps to Penn, Wm&Mary, Duke and Dartmouth, his high reaches did not go out. But he said he really liked Tulane enough that he was done early even if ED had not been an accept. They offered a half cost merit award.

Hopefully you ran the NPCs for each of these schools so you know they are all likely affordable to you. No, you are not likely at all to get merit from Wm&Mary. You’ll be lucky to get accepted. Fordham does have auto merit but be aware, it doesn’t mean auto accept because the calculator gives you auto Merit money. IF you are accepted. That was a tough blow to several kids I know. I don’t know what merit UMass offers in state kids, but I know, as you do too, that getting into their honors college is no slam dunk.

I think you will have several choices at year end. That this is stressful is because you chose a lot of very selective schools. If URI or UConn or Loyola or UDenver, or Rollins, Stetson, Eckerd (FL LACs), James Madison, Pitt, Mich State were in your list, you’d have some more acceptances predicted. But you do not, so here we are. Good luck.

This really doesn’t change anything, but I will no longer be getting a B.

And -

My recommendations should be amazing. One from my AP world teacher who is very important to me and he has called me “an incredible person” (he also attended Johns Hopkins and is an amazing writer). Another from my AP Bio teacher who is amazing and I think she will have some good things to say about me. I also asked my french horn teacher who has been teaching me since 6th grade to write me a recommendation for schools that allow additional recommenders. She definitely wrote a good one.

I know thousands of students have good recs, but I feel really confident about mine.

I know that most of my schools are reaches, and I am prepared to deal with rejections. I just have worked so hard to set up the best life for myself so that I can have the best opportunities. I want to be a doctor in Guatemala and Honduras one day and I want to change the world. I know this is possible wherever I go, but I also want to be surrounded by people with similar ambitions and abilities. To me, Princeton feels like that place. I just feel safe, calm, and happy there, from the moment I stepped on the campus. I wish I didn’t fall so hard for it, but I know that whatever happens is what is meant to happen. If it’s meant to be, it’ll be.

Thank you all for helping me and for all of your suggestions. I will keep everyone posted with my decisions (and my new subject test scores which come out in a week or two). :blush:

Are your top choices affordable?

They are manageable. My family’s primary concern isn’t money but it is difficult because my family is so large.

Your stats are definitely at the low end, but if you really draw light on band and modeling, I think you can really make yourself stand out (especially with French horn since not many people are very good at it)

It’s so hard to tell even though you’re profile is very impressive

@bookworm180 my stats are on the low end? is it my ECs? I thought my test scores were at least average :confused: and I am proud of my GPA as my school is really tough.

OP you know your stats aren’t on the low end, remember this is the internet?

Do you have any updates? Have you heard from any schools yet wrt admission?