Chance Me - Indian girl trying her luck at top econ and business schools

The Naviance scattergrams should make it more clear, unless the sample size is very small.

Please don’t drop all the other schools, it is possible (even likely) you don’t get into any of these listed schools. You still have to apply to your safeties by the EA deadlines.

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My school doesn’t send many students to Ivies and T20s so the scattergrams are helpful but not super helpful because it doesn’t say what major or programs they applied to.

Yeah, of course I won’t drop any of my safeties but I can definitely cut down on my reaches as everyone on this thread has told me :sweat_smile:

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I’ll echo everyone else - cut your list down. You have too many reaches and it reads like a laundry list of top 20 schools as opposed to a well thought out list of reaches that have the fit you are looking for. Once you finish the 6 applications you referenced above, I think you will be set for reaches and I’d spend the rest of your time doing your safety apps and, then, maybe 2-3 matches. Of course, if you will be happy at UMass or UConn, you can just do those and skip the matches. I’m not sure why you have MIT on your reach list other than its prestige as it doesn’t seem the best match for your business/healthcare/econ focus.

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On the other hand, she can apply to all the UCs with a single app, which range from near safeties to among the world’s best universities. And she has made it clear that merit is not a major concern.

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True, but with UCs being test blind, she will need to write 4 solid essays which is extremely time consuming. I’d say those are reaches even with her stats. It seemed to be schools that she just put on a list instead, IMO.

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@overambitiousindian - Do add Babson located in Wellesley, MA. Its a private school in MA and very good for business. It could also be a match school for you.

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Congratulations on your great HS record so far!

I have some questions: what APs does your school offer that you have not taken?
How much foreign language have you had?
You mention that the recs you privately got to see are 9/10. Do either say you are one of the best student this year?

I am asking to try to assess where you fit in your class, considering there are 19 people with higher grades, how many of them have a similar or higher rigor and potentially better recs. And, typically, how many students get in to ivies or similar schools each year? I agree your list appears peachy, but the fact that your Naviance says matches on all is surprising to me with the info you have given. Maybe your school does better in admissions than typical, so some of these T20s are Low reaches/High matches …

This is the problem right here.

  1. This is true for some sectors but it is not absolute. You will, in business, find anyone from HS dropouts to GEDs to degrees from third tier schools to Stanford MBAs in all sectors. Yes, will the kid going to Harvard do better in life than the kid who goes to UCONN…on average, but not necessarily. Plenty of UCONNs will outperform Harvard.

  2. Back to your statement, what is it you want to do? Investment banking? Consulting? Accounting? Finance? The only thing I can tell is you want to do something in healthcare perhaps but what aspect? So for healthcare related things, there are certainly some clearer choices than others are your list - perhaps a school with a hospital or big medical facility adjacent. While you may not be pre-med, you still may want opportunities.

You know who gets internships? Not the Freshman at Harvard with no work experience. How bout Freshman anywhere who walk in with internships already in their desired field? Yes, it’s difficult for freshman anywhere to crack that nut hence you see them at Panera in the summer - but you are different - even if you went to U of Maine.

Now you want to look at business jobs. I live in Nashville - we have the biggest hospital company in America - HCA. Fortune 100. The CEO did his bachelor in finance at Kentucky and his masters at UNLV. The CFO - U of Tampa - look up its stats - it’s waaaaaaaaay low in selectivity. Head of HR from U of So Florida and MBA at St. Leo.

I’m not suggesting you shouldn’t go to a great school - and IU is great if you end up there. But so is UCONN and UMASS.

Saying you want to be in economics or business isn’t saying what you want to do. But you’re also young and likely don’t know what exactly you want to do and that’s ok. In fact, that’s preferred so you can go and see and learn. But broad statements like that do not work.

What I’m telling you is there are hundreds if not more colleges where someone like yourself can be successful.

You will be successful because of you, whether you go to UCSD, U of Washington, Harvard or otherwise.

I personally would skip most the reaches - if you’ve done that many supplements, they likely need more work because essays require draft after draft, topic change after top change. And your ability to get into most isn’t likely great. And how does one apply to Columbia and Dartmouth - I mean, the contrast. What’s the point of going somewhere if you’re miserable and fail out (as happens every year, even to valedictorians). What’s the right school, environment for you - and a ranking or perceived perception is irrelevant to that.

You are a great student and you don’t require merit but it would be nice - so you have to decide like I said before and you should ask your parents and see what they say - Tufts at $325K or UMASS at $120K. Or a school like Pitt can work for you or Case Western Rochester that are still of high brand name but have merit. And are known for tie ins to healthcare.

Because if they say UMASS (and that’s what I’d be telling you as my kid), then you can save time and they’d save HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS that you could use for grad school, to buy a house, etc. You’ve worked hard and saving $ on college can be a great benefit to you.

My main point here is you are chasing this dream that in many ways is filled with fiction.

You can be a superstar from anywhere. The CEO at HCA - $30 mil. And he’s not an aberration - you can check all the hospital, pharmaceutical companies and otherwise.

One last thing - where this is an EA, make sure you do it. Typically EA rates are much higher than RD. Of course, some schools only have ED and RD - then you do RD.

But don’t let any deadlines pass.

Good luck.

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Do you have a 1 year art requirement that the UCs need?

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At Penn, are you applying to the college or Wharton? Huntsman?

For most American colleges, with limited exceptions, which program or major you are applying for has very little to do with your odds of admissions. (If the program is a separate school within the university like Wharton, then it does.) Colleges are aware that many students change majors after they are admitted. They are also aware that some students who are coming for the most popular majors lie and say they are interested in a less common one. What Naviance doesn’t tell you is how many applicants were URMs, legacies, recruited athletes, faculty children, children of celebrities or potential large donors. and winners of major awards.

I’d urge you to apply to at least one safety like UMass or IU-Kelley early too. It can be absolutely devastating to be rejected by all of the schools you apply to early with no acceptances in hand. (I’m not saying that will happen; just that it’s certainly possible.) Trying to sit down and write essays while you are emotionally reeling from that is very hard.

Again, good luck!

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UC GPA calculator and all three UC GPA’s are considered. UCB and UCLA are Reach schools regardless of your qualifications.

https://rogerhub.com/gpa-calculator-uc/

Admission Rates for Out-of-State Applicants (Domestic):
UCLA: 13.9%
UC Berkeley: 14.1%

You are definitely a well qualified and competitive applicant but with over 100,000 Freshman applicants to each of these schools, odds are not great for any applicant.

2020 Freshman admit rates for UC GPA of 4.20 or above capped weighted and not major specific:
UCB: 37%
UCLA: 38%

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So the scattergram is basically red x’s in the upper right corner of high stats and high test scores for the T20’s? That should tell you A LOT! Many of the Ivies do not admit by major anyway. Do not try to bend the data to rationalize that somehow your odds will be much higher.

We are not saying not to apply to these universities - but be selective and realistic about your chances. And be sure to get in EA apps to the safety business schools as well. Flagship B-schools are more competitive than the overall university profile, and in many places, EA admits will fill up the capacity of the program.

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Congratulations on all of your achievements. Your ACT composite score of 35 is outstanding. Class rank of top 7% is very strong,but top 5% would be better in light of the reach schools that you are targeting. But, above all else, I admire your honesty as reflected in your choice of username.

You have listed 27 schools to which you intend to apply. The suggestion of adding Indiana University’s Kelley School of Business is reasonable as you should be an auto admit & you should receive merit scholarship offers.

I do not doubt that you have the determination,stamina,and ability to apply to all 27 or 28 target schools, but I think that you should focus on limiting your applications by designating about 16 as priority applications while leaving the remaining dozen schools on an if time permits basis.

Typically, I would recommend avoiding discussion of one’s eating disorder, but since it was the inspiration for one of your main ECs, it might be okay to discuss in your case.

As you know, most of your target schools are reaches. It is important to tailor essays to these schools.

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Most UC Business schools(except berkeley) do not have a undergraduate program. Some do have business econ. For finance and investment banking, boston college would be a good choice.

Well - her name is over ambitious indian :slight_smile:

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