<p>Sure jec7483. You always see Michigan students/alums hanging around the PsU site on CC. Not. Nobody with any sense of reality considers PsU a peer of Michigan. I mean nobody. I think YOU need to get over yourself. Michigan was always in the top 25. Now it's in the top 26. There is a huge difference between being a top 5 public school and a top 15. Sorry to burst your bubble. Btw, the PA of Michigan is higher than NU. Did you know that? Furthermore, Stanford is a cut above Penn and Northwestern. Another shocker for you I bet.</p>
<p>"You always see Michigan students/alums hanging around the PsU site on CC. Not."</p>
<p>I see Michigan students/alums all over these sites. I don't mind you defending your school when people say things about it, but don't act you have suddenly become better than that and never post. Didn't you call Alexandre the "spokesman" for your University on College Confidential just a little earlier on this exact thread?!?!?!</p>
<p>"Nobody with any sense of reality considers PsU a peer of Michigan."</p>
<p>Thankfully, the reality you have created for yourself is not shared by everyone.</p>
<p>"There is a huge difference between being a top 5 public school and a top 15."</p>
<p>Yeah, it's called 10 spots. Pretty huge.</p>
<p>"Furthermore, Stanford is a cut above Penn and Northwestern. Another shocker for you I bet."</p>
<p>I am just shocked you didn't throw Michigan in as being above Penn and Northwestern. From your posts, I would think you had gone to an Ivy leage school. Also, Stanford is not a cut above Penn or Northwestern. They are all in the top 12 schools in the country.</p>
<p>jec7483. There are many Michigan posts in the CC college search section. There are none that I have seen in the PsU college discussion area. Not that I normally would even bother looking at the PsU college discussion area since it's not that easy to find. However, I had to see for myself if any Michigan zealots spend time trolling those boards looking for ways to make PsU look something less then it is. You're here. Nobody from Michigan is there. That should tell you something.</p>
<p>Penn, Northwestern, and Michigan are peers. Look at the PA scores of these three schools at USNWR. PsU, while a good school, is not in this same league. Stanford IS a cut above Penn, Northwestern, and Michigan. The top five most pestigious major universities in this country are HYPSM. The P doesn't stand for Penn either. Your comment that ten spots doesn't mean too much would be valid if there were only ten schools ranked between Michigan and PsU. Of course I'm sure you're smarter than that.</p>
<p>I believed you to believe to be smarter than someone that thought that Penn and Michigan are peers. That's simply not the case. I think you put it well with the whole, "Nobody with any sense of reality considers.." thing, as that would be the case with Penn and Michigan. Michigan is a good school, but nowhere near the league of Northwestern or Penn. I thought even your ego wouldn't push you to suggest something that outrageous.</p>
<p>"Your comment that ten spots doesn't mean too much would be valid if there were only ten schools ranked between Michigan and PsU. Of course I'm sure you're smarter than that."</p>
<p>You're right, there are 11 privates mixed in there. I guess 21 must count as a HUGE DIFFERENCE, then, right??? </p>
<p>Michigan #26 and Penn State #47.....difference of 21.</p>
<p>Penn #5 and Michigan #26.....difference of 21.</p>
<p>If Penn State and Michigan are not in the same league(according to you), then Michigan can't be in the same league as Penn.</p>
<p>You are wrong. The PA scores of Michigan, Penn, and Northwestern are all very close. PsU is not in the same league. That is the end of this discussion for me.</p>
<p>If I remember correctly, Michigan and Penn have identical peer assessment scores. Do you know what that means? It means that hundreds of professors, researchers, scientists and others in academia believe these two schools to be academic peers in every sense of the word. If that's not an accurate measure of academic quality, I really don't know what it is. You may think otherwise, but the only opinions that really matter are of those who actually know academia.</p>
<p>jec7483, it is a joke that you think PSU is better than UMich academically. Don't get me wrong, PSU is a good school, but Michigan is an elite school with a much better reputation than Penn State. Look where Wall Street goes every year to hire: UMich.</p>
<p>It's all about the quality of the students who go to the school. Hate to say it, but Michigan has a HUGE contingency of idiots. And what can you expect at a 50% acceptance rate? The fact of the matter is Michigan is better than Penn State. But, Penn is also on a different level than Michigan. Because Penn doesn't lower their standards and accept in-state kids. If Michigan could separate the school into in-staters and out-of-staters, then the out-of-state college might be able to compete with Penn. But as a whole, Michigan's student body is just so much less intelligent than the Penn student body. Further, Michigan is overrated because its GRAD PROGRAMS are so damn good.</p>
<p>Penn>Northwestern>Michigan>>>>>>>Penn State</p>
<p>Michigan's acceptance rate was 42% last year. Not sure where you guys are getting 50%.</p>
<p>And, giants, if you examine the SAT/GPA and take into account that Michigan does not superscore, the qualities of the student bodies of Penn, Michigan, and Northwestern are comparable. Refer to one of Alexandre's posts; he provides a good analysis of this.</p>
<p>Jelabidin,</p>
<p>You're close.</p>
<p>Penn[5]>Northwestern[12]>>>(14 schools)>>Michigan[26]>>>(21 schools)>>Penn State[47]</p>
<p>Notice that the Penn to Michigan rank difference (21), is the exact same as that between Michigan and Penn State(21). So, if Michigan is just as good as Penn being 21 spots away, then Penn State must be just as good as Michigan being only 21 spots away. I never said Penn State was better. I just said that Michigan is not that much better and that Penn State University Park and Michigan are very similar. Michigan is a very good school, but you are nowhere near the level of Penn.</p>
<p>CCRunner123,</p>
<p>College</a> acceptance rates: How many get in? - USATODAY.com</p>
<p>Just scroll to the low 60s. Michigan's acceptance rate was at 62.5% in 2006. It doubt it was around 42%, a drop of 20%, this year. Michigan seems to have an acceptance rate around up the upper 50s. </p>
<p>"And, giants, if you examine the SAT/GPA and take into account that Michigan does not superscore, the qualities of the student bodies of Penn, Michigan, and Northwestern are comparable."</p>
<p>Not superscoring doesn't make up the difference in the quality of the student bodies. Michigan's out of state students are probably near the Penn level, but as he said, half your student body is not.</p>
<p>You're right. It's not 42%. It's 41%. My mistake.</p>
<p>Office</a> of Undergraduate Admissions: About Michigan</p>
<p>wow, numbers from the university of Michigan admissions department. I'm sure those are pretty unbiased....Admissions numbers for a school do NOT drop 20% in two years. Maybe you should try to find a little more reliable source. One that isn't trying to sell the school.</p>
<p>Wait, let me get this straight. You're suggesting that the University of Michigan is making up those numbers? </p>
<p>Ok, I'm done with this thread. Penn State is better than Michigan. You win.</p>
<p>Well CCRunner123 as they say, "Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."</p>
<p>ha thats a joke to even compare umich and penn state</p>
<p>CCrunner, I never tried to prove that Michigan's overall student body is equal to Penn's or Northwestern's or that Michigan is as selective as Penn. At the same time, I do not agree with Giants' assessment either. </p>
<p>I think reality is somewhere in between. A large chunk of Michigan's undergraduate student population is in fact, if you look purely at the statistics, just as academically qualified as students at Penn and other peer institutions. Michigan's 50%ile is equal to Penn's 25%ile. In other words, the top 50% of Michigan's undergraduate student body is equal to the top 75% of Penn's undergraduate student body. So yes, there is a difference in the qualityof the student bodies, but no, that difference is not significant. </p>
<p>The USNWR's ranking of selectivity is pretty accurate. Penn is the 6th most selective university in the US, Michigan is 18th. Just for the sake of comparison, Cornell and Northwestern are 14th on the selectivity rank, Rice is tied with Michigan at 18 and Chicago and johns Hopkins are ranked 21st. So Michigan is in pretty good company.</p>
<p>Giant, Michigan's Peer Assessment rating does not benefit more from its graduate programs than other major research universities such as Chicago, Columbia, Cornell, Northwestern or Penn. I am not sure why you singled out Michigan.</p>
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