Chance me please!(Int'l stu from China)

Chance Me / Match Me!
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<p>I'm a prospective 2014 freshman. Here's my general profile:</p>

<p>TOEFL:111
SAT:2300 this May(CR 730 Math 780 Writing 790 essay9)
2160 this June(CR 690 Math 800 Writing 670 essay8)
superscore 2320
SAT II: Math1 800 Math2 800 Physics 800
Just taken Chemistry this October, Waiting for results
GPA:3.82/4.00 or 94/100
Class ranking: 1st for 2 and a half years</p>

<p>No APs in Chinese schools, but the courses equally difficult as APs
(Chinese, math, physics, chemistry, biology, geology, Chinese and World history, Politics roughly equal to US AP-level courses)</p>

<p>Academic awards:
National 2nd Prize in Chinese Physics Olympiad for 3 consecutive years(Best ranking:55th in a pool of 30000 in province)
Provincial 3rd Prize in Chinese High School Math Tournament(Top 500 in a pool of 30000)
National 1st prize in the Chinese National English Proficiency Contest for 2 consecutive years:(Top 50 in a pool of 30000)
Scholarship Winner of the 'Picture yourself in Perth' Competition held by Perth government and my city(Top 10 out of hundreds within the entire city)</p>

<p>ECs:
1. Founder and Leader of the student acoustic guitar band for 2 consecutive years, gave performances in school
2.Teaching assistant in New Oriental School for a few months
3.Head of the Studying Department of the Students' Union for 2 years; led a petition in school for changes in teaching methods;
4.Research on mathematics during summer in Grade 10;paper submitted to the 'Tomorrow Little scientist Competition' in China
5.Volunteer in local nursing homes; Service hours:100+
6. Chief translator of the entire school during foreign exchanges: service hours: no less than 50(5.6 both lasted for 1-2 years)</p>

<p>Need great amounts of FA.(Family Contribution:only around $10-15k a year at most)</p>

<p>Please chance me for the following schools,including chances with AND without application for int'l FA:
Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Dartmouth, Stanford, Caltech, Columbia, Uchicago, Upenn, Brown, WUSTL
LAC:Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Middlebury, Pomona, Carleton, Davidson, Vassar, Hamilton, Washington & Lee, Colby, Kenyon, Trinity, Lafayette
And recommend some schools if possible.THX!</p>

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<p>Compared to a friend of mine who got into Amherst last year, you’re in.</p>

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<p>Bumpbumpbumpbumpbumpbump</p>

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<p>Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Dartmouth, Stanford, Caltech, Columbia, Uchicago, Upenn, Brown, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Middlebury, Pomona, Carleton
= you’re a very strong candidate. Your odds are better than most. But that’s still about 1 in 4, perhaps 1 in 3. These schools are unpredictable, most applicants are just incredible. Odds are good, though, that you’ll get into at least one of them.</p>

<p>WUSTL,Davidson, Vassar, Hamilton, Washington & Lee, Colby, Kenyon, Trinity, Lafayette are more predictable and you will get into most of those.</p>

<p>One problem I see is that you seem to be applying based on USNWR rankings, and therefore you’re not looking at “fit”. For example, I can’t imagine someone who’d be a good fit for Carleton also being a good fit for Washington&Lee. Same for Stanford and UChicago, or for Kenyon and Caltech.
Unfortunately, many of these admission decisions (among top schools) will ultimately rest upon “fit”, so you should really think about what you want: a tech school? preprofessional? intellectual? quirky?</p>

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<p>Brother , now it all depends upon your essay!</p>

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<p>Thx,MYOS1634. I’m dreaming of MIT and princeton…(especially love sciences),but most of schools I dream are reaches for anyone…
BTW, if I apply for FA to all the schools, is that a disadvantage?</p>

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<p>^Yes, most of these schools are need-aware, meaning that they will take FA into consideration.</p>

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<p>HYPSM are need blind for internationals, as is Dartmouth, so applying to FA or not wouldn’t matter. if you’re the best in your country they want you even if they have to pay. However the other schools are “need aware”, so that if you’re at the top of the applicant pool it’s not a problem, but the lower you are ranked in the applicant pool the lesser the odds of admission.</p>

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<p>The only need-blind US universities for intl students are:
-Harvard
-Yale
-Princeton
-MIT
-Dartmouth
-Amherst
-Georgetown (Does not ensure to cover fully the demonstrated need)
-Cornell (Does not ensure to cover fully the demonstrated need)</p>

<p>I find really absurd that LACs and lower tier Ivy schools can provide need blind admissions to intl students, while a huge school like Stanford (FYI >17billion USD of endowment) can’t.</p>

<p>BTW your stats are so impressive that you can in most of the schools that you listed. Just one problem… You are Chinese. The Chinese and Indian applicant pool is REALLY competitive. Nevertheless you have a very good shot :)</p>

<p>Chance me back? <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/1561013-international-student-thinking-about-top-unis.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/1561013-international-student-thinking-about-top-unis.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Actually, Stanford is only need aware for marginal cases, probably due to competition with HYPM :slight_smile: they can’t afford to lose geniuses who don’t have money but they don’t care for needy kids whose stats make him/her a cut above the rest yet are a dime a dozen in their applicant pool, they’d rather take the wealthy applicant whose stats are above most yet a dime a dozen in their applicant pool*.
It’s the same for most top LACs.
I agree it’s unfair or ridiculous but it’s the same for American citizens so there’s fairness in the unfairness. :wink:
And yes they have enough money to do otherwise and choose not to, because there are so many competitive Pacific Rim applicants who don’t mind paying full price (same thing with the UCs, actually).</p>

<p>*please note that “marginal” Stanford applicants are NOT marginal in comparison to virtually all schools. :)</p>

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<p>Thx! Bumpppppppppppppp, any more advice?</p>

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<p>Bumpppppppppppppp,</p>

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<p>do you have any safety schools?</p>

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<p>^People like him don’t need safety schools. </p>

<p>How could EVERYTHING go so wrong that he doesn’t get into any of them? </p>

<p>Btw, you are set. Just apply to as many as you feel like and you’ll get into at least one, as said. Just make sure your essay is good.</p>

<p>Chance me?</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/1564865-chance-me-will-chance-back-emory-ed.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/1564865-chance-me-will-chance-back-emory-ed.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>^ @tyrtle
EVERYONE needs safety schools. Your paragraph above is full of very common misconceptions (ie., that there are students who are so good they don’t need a safety school - if you believe that, look up andison’s story <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/96791-years-applicants-please-listen-2.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/96791-years-applicants-please-listen-2.html&lt;/a&gt; or the many students who come April post here on CC to cry that they didn’t get in anywhere.) Or, that if you apply to lots of competitive schools, you’ll get into one of them.
There isn’t much that needs to go wrong: all schools with a 25% admit rate or less are a crapshoot - most applicants are qualified and still 80%, 85%, 90% are cut. Schools don’t like to “feel” like safeties so they may wait list someone who looks too qualified to be really interested or has not demonstrated “interest”. The Chinese applicant pool is super qualified and many Chinese students apply to the very school OP is applying to. The list reflects zero reflexion on “fit”, which is crucial for admission to top schools.
In short, plenty can go wrong and OP does need 2 safeties (schools he can afford, would enjoy attending, and which s/he is 100% sure of getting in. It can be a public outside the Top 10, it can be a college outside the most crowded areas, etc.)</p>

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<p>Thx, any more advice?</p>

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<p>bumppppppppp</p>