***Chance Me Please!*** (Will Chance Back)

School Type: Public
Location: Georgia
Race/Gender: Asian/Male
Prospective Major: Bio
Unweighted GPA: 3.73 (out of 4)
Weighted GPA: 4.00 (out of 4)
Class rank: N/A

SAT I: 2200 (Math-- 800, Writing-- 720, Critical Reading 680)
ACT: 34
SAT II: Math: 800, Biology: 760

Honors, Merits, and Awards
• High School Cricket Tournament Best Bowler
• Barbara James Service Award —volunteered over 100 hours in the healthcare field
• Gold President’s Volunteer Service Award
• Third Place State HOSA
• Third Place Regionals HOSA
• First Place Regionals FBLA
• Bronze Medalist in National Spanish Exam
• Superior in Spanish Composition Contest Georgia Chapter
• Graduated from Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America Balvihar Hindi School

III. Volunteering
• COA/V Youth Advisory Board —work with few selected teens across state to host a summer youth medical conference and other medically related activities
• (_______) Summer Volunteen Program
• (
)University Volunteen Program
• Assisted Living Center
• (
_____)Hospital Summer Volunteen Program
• Shadowing Doctor
• BalVihar —Teach pupils how to read, write, and understand Hindi while giving back to the community.
Total Number of Hours Volunteered Till Date: 195 hours
IV. Leadership
• American Red Cross
• Class Council Representative (9th, 10th, and 11th Grade)
• Founder of Not-for-profit organization
• Future Business Leaders of America
• HOSA Officer
• Policy Debate Team Secretary
• Track and Field (9th and 10th Grade)
• Vice President of Human Resources in Junior Achievements Fellowship Program --youth entrepreneurship program where youths create businesses and compete nationwide
• Vice-Captain of School Cricket Team (11th Grade)
V. Work Experience
• Internship at Georgia State University in researching cure for Herpes
• Teach policy debate to middle schoolers (10th and 11th Grade)

I have had an upward trend in GPA and attended a debate camp at Emory in my freshman year summer.

I would really appreciate any feedback

@rokun123 I think they’ll like you, but they may find you to be a stereotype which can hurt a little. I do not mean ethnic stereotype, I mean academic. As I’ve mentioned before, it seems Emory is going toward a more “intellectual” feel of campus, and it is bound to show up in recruiting where someone who is clearly a pre-business or pre-med may be at somewhat of a disadvantage because they will want to not select too many people who blatantly plan on doing these. However, they won’t care about your career path if you can show in your essays that you have some sort of intellectual passion. Show that your interest goes beyond the laundry list of activities you’ve completed. Can you really talk about any of them passionately because if so, you have a solid shot.

Too bad you have to come in be a humdrum bio major though :stuck_out_tongue: lol. Seriously, look into something else, other departments have more exciting things going on (course offering wise, and the teaching is just better. Biology is saturated and is over-rated as a pre-health oriented major. NBB, chemistry, anthro, human health are generally better, more interdisciplinary, and more interesting) and you can still be pre-med or whatever you intend to do. Trust me, I was a bio major. You can take the best biology classes without being a major. Some of the classes are taught like you’re in HS or something…why bother? It will afford no MCAT advantage

@bernie12 Thank you for your response! Besides for changing the major, are my test scores and GPA okay? For extracurriculars, should I diversify it into more business and sports?

Overall, would I be considered by Emory?

I basically just said you’re fine academically and based on EC’s. At this point, stick with your strengths (sudden diversifying will show that you may just be resume whoring). Do not change paths to impress an admissions committee. Do what you do well and enjoy it so that you have something to talk about in essays. As for the biology thing, what can also help if you just approach your college major with a more open mind. Just go on to Emory’s website and explore some of the academic opportunities (whether inside of or something beyond a department) and that way you can find what you may be interested in besides being a standard pre-health at a top university. Emory may definitely take you based on stats. You just want to avoid being the “boring high achiever that wants to get into a top university” in your essays. Just demonstrate that it actually offers you something more than just space and that you offer it more than a long resume.

@bernie12 Thank you very much for your input, I really appreciate it!

Now I got accepted this year so I may not be as experienced as Bernie to chance you but heck you seem like a way stronger applicant than I was. Just so that you have something to compare lets see…

Asian Male/Southern California

GPA: 3.54 UW, 3.95 W
My test scores were around yours.

I think you have as much as a solid chance as other applicants. I’d give you a percentage but you never know with college stuff! Good luck, write solid essays!

@thecoolboy1234 : In general, you can’t go wrong chancing for Emory once someone is say, above 1350-1370/1600 (no matter the ethnicity_maybe 12’s for URMs). Emory isn’t really a stats whore school (I think we know which schools are). Once above about the average/median, it is really the essays and whether or not your EC’s have something that Emory wants more of on campus. Emory isn’t one of the places that just wants to have the highest scores possible. If anything, its admissions look more like Cornell, JHU (this one ranks very highly, higher than schools with higher scores), Duke, or Stanford (same), or something. Duke and Stanford being two schools that COULD easily just do admissions so as to have scores as high as their peers (like HYPM, Stanford actually seems a bit more relaxed than these places) with a similar, but just don’t. Clearly it works, because their students are as about (sometimes more) accomplished as those schools. So I think places like JHU and many other schools know that beyond a certain point, while scores may help with the rank a little, it is more important to pay attention to things such as the character and depth of the students. It kind of explains the unique culture of schools that do not necessarily have students with perfect scores, but perform like schools that do. Please, the dean of admissions came from JHU, so I’m not surprised that he seems to take this same approach. It clearly worked there (except that I think Emory is trying to get away from the sort of pre-professional takeover we currently have. Admittedly, JHU has more “interesting” pre-meds for example and a more interesting science/intellectual scene surrounding it in general. Emory’s intellectual vitality almost exclusively comes from the social sciences and humanities. Not enough actual science “geeks” I guess.)

@bernie12 Clearly most of my EC indicate the typical “science geek”. Are there any of my EC that would help me fall under the social sciences and humanities category? What EC could I have done to help me to do so?

@rokun123 No…your EC’s portray you as a pre-health, not a science geek. There is a difference (usually people don’t realize this…I may explain later). The two do not go hand and hand and create different academic/intellectual environments. The interests in spanish, business, and debate are the things that bring balance to your resume. If there are some actual “science geek” things, then you should tell us what they are. They will sell well for Emory (because it strays from the pre-health stereotype) and definitely help you with Georgia Tech.

@bernie12 Other than these I do not have any science EC. I’m confused though, does Emory like pre-med or pre-health? Would being considered as a stereotypical pre-health student hurt me?

@rokun123 : The school is over-run by them (in terms of those who major in science or just in general) lol. But seriously, there is an effort to bring in more academic diversity. There, for example, seems to be a clear effort to bring in more humanities majors and those majoring in things like CS, physics, and math (and not through pathways like econ/math, which many higher caliber pre-meds do for example) or stronger quantitatively in general. In general, they are trying to kind of gain more students who do not really come in with the pre-professional sort of orientation. Of course, due to Emory’s reputation, it is unavoidable, but they have been at least trying to bring in students with “deeper” interests in things than say, a normal pre-med or pre-business student would not have. As in, those with resumes who don’t just scream “I’m coming to Emory for (insert track that is oversubscribed)”. Among the pre-health crowd, I would suspect that there is perhaps a better reception toward those with a public/global health orientation from the get go. Usually such students have resumes or EC’s that stand out a bit more from a commitment to service point of view and an intellectual point of view. They are looking for more intellectually engaged students and looking to take less of those who seem as if they are being “groomed” for something more specific than success in general. Often such students will have a less long list of activities, but will have extremely deep involvement in something or will have created something meaningful. Either way, yes I think being pre-med and applying to Emory now-a-days will make you look more average, especially with those EC’s. That doesn’t mean your chances are not good, it just means that the competition will be stiffer because they are looking for more people with a different orientation (or to limit the amounts with that type of orientation). But it is okay…it doesn’t mean you should actually be discouraged, just realize that admissions reflects the mission and direction a school is trying to take and won’t necessarily reflect your qualifications. Again, you will have the opportunity to demonstrate who you are and any other interests you have via your essays.

@bernie12 if one were to list physics as the intended major, thus giving them a better chance, would it be that simple once accepted to simply switch your major to what you truly wanted? Or is that scenario a rarity?

@Lift35 1) They won’t know which major you pick once enrolled or accepted. In fact, I would honestly not even mention major in essays or survey elements of the app because regardless of what you put (if anything), they’ll be able to get the hint from your EC’s. I am basically just saying if you plan to be the stereotypical pre-med/bio/NBB major, to increase your chances, you’ll want to have EC’s (could be non-science related) that perhaps make you unique or show much more aptitude in science than a normal person (even for a selective school) considering that track.

Given that, I do not think such a scheme will help (you would have to know enough about and be passionate enough about it to discuss it or show that you did many physics oriented activities in HS)…It’s tricky and not worth it to be honest. They would probably be looking to see if there is evidence that said person was “abnormally” strong in math or physics already as many physics majors are (many/most start with multivariable or higher as freshmen or whenever they take math). Usually physics and math majors at a place like Emory have already taken and made 4/5 on calc. BC and have also taken calc. based versions of physics and/or SATII’s and have done well. Some have shown even more aptitude in science than normal beyond just test taking. In other words, if you apply as a physics major and nothing in your resume or essays suggests that you are fit for that track, you’re honestly wasting your time and perhaps decreasing your chances. If you plan on just being a pre-med/anything that is typical on Emory’s campus, the best you should do is let your EC’s speak for themselves if you want a better chance than normal. Hopefully one’s resume would show that they are more than just pre-whatever stereotype. No need to embellish. I only meant that having the profile of certain majors/pre-prof tracks is disadvantageous statistically when so many of them apply and Emory doesn’t necessarily want as many as it used to. It’s kind of like applying to a school trying to game the rankings by running up its app. numbers and artificially decreasing admit rate by denying more people (despite having more apps) than previous years for no reason. Anyone applying to such schools in those is simply going to have a lower chance if nothing is special about them (okay, and even at these schools, most are just looking for “special” scores). The only difference is that Emory has a reason…attempting to regear the intellectual climate of the school.

There is nothing you could and should do other than demonstrate through essays that you are a fit in this new direction despite being whatever track you go on. If you are merely applying to Emory because “it is top ranked and lots pre-whatevers like me go there”, then you probably should not apply at all because you may not like some of the things that it is about to offer/implement (Seems there is a movement to add some “Chicagoesque” type of flavor to the intellectual climate through a top down approach). Like, I am concerned about how well received stuff like this:http://evidence.emory.edu/

will be among the current types of students we get…are you the kind of student who would appreciate the student events associated with all of this, or are you likely to be annoyed/disengaged. If the latter, apply with caution, if the former, sell yourself to get and come on to Emory. But this QEP thing is, in general, the direction that Emory is trying to go (I personally agree…but I realize the types of students we are dealing with, the “work hard play hard” types). Many students either do not really care much for intellectual engagement beyond the classroom at all and many certainly do not appreciate or respond to top down approaches. There are also things like this that will likely start taking shape if you are interested:http://college.emory.edu/home/administration/policy/faculty_reports.html (see academic engagement…) or this: http://liberalartsforwardemory.com/

This is mainly just kind of a warning as again, I think Emory is trying to move away from the, what I think is a very bland type of academic environment you get from being a “work hard play hard” type of school. If you find those type of environments ideal, I wouldn’t really consider Emory. It never was as “work hard play hard” (Emory is weird in that it gets tons of students who prefer those sorts of environments, but also gets a significant amount of students who would prefer more academic/intellectual intensity and given this, it has always felt like a weird combo of the schools who lean completely one way or the other…the nature of the academics and preferences of students kind of shows this as well as it is surprisingly rigorous for a school that usually puts itself in the “work hard play hard” column…one of the few such schools where some of the most difficult instructors in certain depts are most popular and well-respected) as other schools (particularly our southern counterparts, Duke and Vandy) claimed they were and seems to be trying to move away from it altogether. I think admissions is looking for people who would either willingly engage in or benefit from some of the changes it is trying to make. If you have to force yourself to look like such an applicant, I wouldn’t bother personally. Just thought you should know about the school before worrying so much about getting in.

I think if you write good essays, you are a strong candidate.