Chance my daughter please

Her stats:
-Attends competitive Catholic school in CT
-GPA 3.7w, first quarter senior year 4.0w, mostly honors, a few advanced classes, 4 APs
-ACT 31 (perfect score on Reading and English)
-4 years at 3 V level sports but will not play V at college level. May play intramural or club level though. Was all academic fresh & sophomore years and has won coach’s awards in two of those sports
-4 years volunteering (and this year leading) a group that runs activities for adults with developmental disabilities. Also volunteers as a peer minister at her church.
-Two years on mock trial team
-Junior and senior executive board
-Works at a children’s bookstore leading literary camps and parties
-Essay is solid, reccs should be strong as she has great relationships with her teachers in and out of the classroom, very well spoken and social so interviews should be very good
-Undecided on major; possibly English and/or Environmental Science

Applied/applying to:
-Allegheny*
-Franklin & Marshall*
-Gettysburg
-Hamilton*
-Lafayette*
-UMaine (accepted with top scholarship)
-URochester*
-Siena
-Susquehanna (accepted with top scholarship)
-St. Lawrence
-Washington & Jefferson

Starred schools are her top choices; Allegheny is probably number one. She loves the open curriculum at Hamilton and URoch though.

Great chance of getting into Gettysburg

@ColeHockey - Even Allegheny? I thought that would be a match/safety.

The others I can see.

I’d think F&M is a match, too.

@taverngirl, of the starred schools, I would think Allegheny would be a safety, F&M a match, Lafayette a mid-reach, and Rochester and Hamilton as definite reaches.

Thanks, all. We figured Hammy and URoch were reaches but weren’t sure about the rest. I suspect if she were somehow able to get accepted at either of the reaches, her decision would become difficult, though Rochester’s efc was higher than we could swing. Now we sit and wait, sigh.

@taverngirl, did your daughter apply ED at one of her reach choices? And best of luck!

@chembiodad She did not apply ED. It would’ve been Hamilton, but we weren’t sure if it would help or hurt. I’ll admit to feel torn worried about a possible acceptance there… not sure if being at the bottom of the admitted students is a good thing. You have a child there, right? Any negatives you can think of? It’s one school we just never seem to hear anything bad about!

What is her umweighted GPA?

@taverngirl, wishing your daughter all the best as its always tough when applying to these highly selective schools. That said, Hamilton cares a lot about diversity and fit - they call it “Hamily”, aside from having a bunch of really smart students, so a great interview, teacher recommendations, and essays matter.

Our twin DD’s both chose different schools to apply to ED1, and were both accepted RD at Hamilton, amongst a bunch of other great LAC’s.

Yes, they are both really happy with their decision to attend Hamilton - they have found their fellow students to be smart, really caring, the professors to be very engaged, and they love the way the campus lives. We couldn’t be happier as, aside from smart and caring students, Hamilton has great faculty, great facilities, and very passionate alumni that both provide an enormous amount of financial support to ensure it achieves it diversity goals and provides students with great internships and opportunities thereafter.

All the best!

@taverngirl, not certain if you’ve had a chance to read the student comments about Hamilton College in Princeton Review - my DD’s felt that they are accurate, so they may be helpful.

See what students say:
Academics
Upstate New York liberal arts school Hamilton College offers fine academics and an open curriculum that give students “preparation for the future that goes far beyond exam-taking strategies.” The focus on writing and speaking, the lack of core requirements, and the small class sizes put a “keen focus on students as unique individuals with different abilities and aspirations.” “Hamilton allows you the freedom to be anyone, but gives you the direction to become the best person you can become,” says a student. The school’s “mix of old-school practices with liberal thinking” allows students to become “true intellectuals beyond the basics of academia.” “Hamilton College is all about learning how to think and then conveying those ideas into writing,” says a student. The professors at Hamilton are “brilliant but they do not flaunt it and instead defer to class discussions.” Professors are also “always available outside of class to discuss anything further.” “Their extensive office hours are when you can really connect with them,” says one student. In using their “ability to bring classes to life,” professors demonstrate their interest in “comprehension of the material beyond grades.” The open curriculum allows for classes to be “extremely productive,” because “people want to be there learning and talking about what interests them.” “I know when I enroll in a class that the people I take that class with are truly interested in the class (just as I am),” says one student. “They aren’t there to fulfill a requirement.” Though the campus itself is large, the undergraduate population is fewer than 2,000, so class sizes are downright tiny (which is “excellent”), and if you can’t get in to a class, “all you have to do is talk to the professors, and they’ll usually make room for you.” Research opportunities are plentiful, and facilities (such as labs) “are well-equipped.” The administration “does what they can to adhere to the needs and wants of the students.”

Student Body
The typical student at Hamilton was a top student at his/her high school; is very invested in at least one activity on campus; works hard during the week but makes the most of weekends; is invested in maintaining health and fitness; and has big dreams for his/her future. “‘Preppy’ seems to be the common connection between a lot of students,” but “for a school in the middle of Central New York, [Hamilton has] a remarkably varied student population.” Students are often characteristically preppy, athletic “light siders,” or artsy “dark siders,” “but things aren’t really that black and white, and there is typically a place for everyone as long as you look.” Everyone is “exceptionally nice,” and “people here aren’t afraid to be themselves.” “Everyone is passionate about their academics as well as their activities outside the classroom.”

Campus Life
The “beautiful campus” is located in the middle of relatively nowhere, but students are creative in that they “very successfully compensate for our isolated location with themed parties, clubs, and other eclectic activities.” Students are “incredibly devoted” to their school work, but they are also devoted to having a good time. “A typical Hamilton student loves to learn on the weekdays, and drink…on the weekends (but gets to bed early enough to study the following afternoon!).” Still, there are plenty of people on campus who prefer to remain sober, though “whether that is a choice or due to lack of confidence in finding parties, I don’t know.” More often than not, “Hamiltonians aren’t strictly about working themselves to death.” People who have cars (a huge plus) can go downtown or into New Hartford in their free time, but “most students spend most of their time on campus.” Often, students just catch the van that travels around the area and “go to the movies or the mall and just hang out with friends.” Hamilton has “a very intellectually stimulating academic environment,” and “it is not at all uncommon to find a whole dorm room debating about an economic theory that only one of them actually learned about in class.”

@taverngirl 31 is a very good ACT score, but you say she was perfect in reading and english -that would mean her math and science scores were mid 20’s? That may raise some red flags at some of the more competitive schools on your list like Hamilton, Lafayette and Rochester. But she still should have many options to choose from.

@gearmom I don’t know her uw. Her school doesn’t report. I know we could figure it out but I don’t even have a copy of her transcript. She has been about half As and Bs and one C on her transcript (AP Bio)

@Chembiodad thanks for all the great info!

@wisteria100 The perfect scores were actually on two different ACTs and most schools won’t see both because she applied to her easier schools before she took the latest test. I forgot this. Science, math, etc. are in the 25-30 range, so yes, she’s lopsided. She’s putting English as a major at her reaches, hoping that will help.

The potential drawbacks of this could be meliorated by Hamilton’s flexible curriculum. Your daughter could choose liberally from an array of humanities courses for which she seems to posses both an affinity and aptitude. For elective breadth, she could choose from topics such as psychology, geosciences and astronomy, which on an introductory level may not be particularly quantitative.

@taverngirl: Would help to know both ACT scores. Is the 31 a superscore ?

Agree with wisteria100 that questions may arise if ACT is too lopsided. Would like to know section scores.

Here are her scores. She took the ACT 3x but only sent the last one (highest composite) of 31. Naviance shows her with a 32, so I guess somehow it superscores to that? But again, schools only saw the 31 scores. I guess in hindsight maybe she should’ve sent all to show the perfect scores in English and Reading, but her math was really low on one of those and I felt like we were spending crazy money sending out her ACTs, CSS profiles, and ordering transcripts (they charge at her hs) for 13 schools. I guess I drew the line at multiple ACTs. Anyway, here are her results:

Test 1 Eng-30, Math-25, Reading-35, Science-30, ELA-28, Stem-30
Test 2 Eng-29, Math-23, Reading-36, Science-29, ELA-29, Stem-26
Test 3 Eng-36, Math-25, Reading-33, Science-28, ELA-27 Stem-31 (sent to schools)

Hindsight is 20/20. Should we have handled the ACTs differently? Should we have sent all of them?

As an update, she’s been accepted to the honors programs at Allegheny and Susquehanna.