Chances at Duke EARLY DECISION!!

<p>Hey,</p>

<p>I am planning on applying to Cornell, UPenn, Duke, Dartmouth, or JHU with the Early Decision plan this fall and I wanted to know to which college I would have the best chance of getting into.</p>

<p>I am gonna do pre-med and I am Asian-indian from NJ.</p>

<p>Stats:
SAT I- 1480/ Math IC - 760, Math IIC - 800, Bio- 790, Physics- 790, Latin- 750, Writing- 640/</p>

<p>8 APs: Biology, AB Calc, BC Calc, Latin: Vergil, Chemistry, Physics B, English Language, Statistics
-Mostly 5's and 4's</p>

<p>I have a great list of extra-curriculars which I have not compiled yet but will do so. But I have had many leadership obligations and awards with a well-rounded base.</p>

<p>Grades:
Freshman year, I had attended a prep school in which I received a 98.5 average with the highest GPA of a 4.2/4.2 with the most difficult courses and perhaps ranked in the top three students academically.</p>

<p>(Sophmore-Senior)
I attend an elite boarding school, Deerfield Academy, where about 33% of the seniors attend the Ivy Leagues. At this difficult place, I, personally, have an 88 average. The school, however, does not rank. The kids who get accepted to Harvard, Princeton, or Yale get around a 90-93 average. Thus, this school is very competetive and a feeder to the top universities. I am on target for perhaps the lower end of the Ivies and other great institutions.</p>

<p>Once again, I will apply ED perhaps to DUKE, so I want to know if I have a good or great shot.</p>

<p>Thank you.</p>

<p>I'd say you your chances are better than "good" but not to the point of being "great." The first thing that stands out is your 640 writing score - I believe the SAT II's are just as important as the SAT I, especially your writing score since it is now part of the new SAT I. Your other board scores are ALL very, very impressive though - good job! Your grades/GPA/courseload are all outstanding considering the competitive nature of the school which you attend. Can't comment on your EC's though. Out of all the places which you're considering doing ED, JHU would pretty much be considered the "shoe-in" since their ED rate hovers over 50%. Cornell ED would be the second easiest to get into, followed by UPenn, Duke, and Dartmouth, pretty much in that order. UPenn and Duke are pretty similar in terms of ED acceptances, but you might have more of an edge at Penn considering they highly favor ED apps - taking over 50% of their incoming class at times from ED alone. I believe their ED acceptees are also a bit weaker than at Duke and Dart - their mean SAT is below 1400, in the upper 1300 range. So out of all the schools you mentioned, Penn, Duke, and Dart would be the harder ones, Cornell and JHU the easier ones. Hope that helps.</p>

<p>Oh, forgot to mention, regarding ED acceptance rates for this past yr., Duke's was 31%, Penn was 33%, and Dart was in the upper 20-lower 30%. Already mentioned Hopkins's, and don't recall Cornell's.</p>

<p>thanks a lot for your advice, it really means a lot to me. Well let me provide you some more information. I actually just graduated and I enrolled at Vandy but I am taking a year off. I did not get into Cornell RD and got waitlisted at JHU. My current plans are to attend a biomedical science college in India, do research, do many community service in the neighboring areas and in hospitals, and come back with a solid foundation entering pre-med in college. I hope this is a good idea to benefit myself as an individual and also for colleges to look upon.</p>

<p>As I mentioned, I graduated from Deerfield. This past year, I didnt apply ED which could have been a mistake. 7 out of 7 who applied ED to Penn got accepted though most are crew recruits. I, however, have no connections. Cornell - 4 out 4 ED (3 ED) and Duke (2 out of 2), however, no one applied to JHU. I really want to attend either Penn, Duke, Cornell, or JHU but my inclination is towards Duke and Penn. I feel like I can put up a great chance ED to Cornell or JHU but I wonder if it is risky in the competetive nature of applying to Penn or Duke ED? Also, Cornells ED rate is about 42%. Also, another question, as I take a year off, will colleges consider and lean towards primarily on my senior year grades and what I do the year off? </p>

<p>Thanks for your help.</p>

<p>T_college - congrats on your admission to Vandy - I also applied there and got accepted, though ultimately did not enroll. Unfortunately, I am not quite familiar with the admissions process regarding your unique situation - will you be applying next year as an incoming first-year college student (freshman) or as a transfer student since you will be attending a year of college in India. The admissions process for each is a bit different - I am mostly familiar with freshman admissions, not transfer, but I believe the processes are fairly similar. Also, are you a domestic or international student?</p>

<p>Wherever you decide to do ED, they will consider both your academic credentials from high school AND what you did during your year off. I don't think they weight senior yr. grades more heavily, but will look at all your grades from every year in high school, like they normally would. If you're attending college in India, they will also look at your grades/coursework from that, perhaps moreso than your high school work. EC's, research, community service work will all be influential in your admissions decision as well so be sure to do that as you've said.</p>

<p>If I were you, I'd also prep a bit for the writing SAT II and retake that and try to break 700. Thats perhaps THE weakest part of your application, other than that, everything else seems excellent.</p>

<p>Regarding the app - Spend a lot of time perfecting it - especially the essays, short response questions, and EC/Awards areas. Write about something particularly meaningful and relevant to you, perhaps what you've learned during your year off and how you would apply that knowledge in the academic environment of the university. For the EC's, more important than just doing a laundry list of items and awards, take time to explain to them, in a paragraph each or so, the ones you've found most compelling and what you've learned from doing it. Anyone can join a million clubs, but only a few can clearly articulate and appreciate the values they've learned from doing such activities. Also, along with your app, you can send in supplementary materials, such as a copy of your research report, extra recs, perhaps a rec from a family member which gives a personal touch, and anything out of the ordinary you which to convey to the adcoms that your app did not explain as clear as you'd like. By taking the time to enhance your app w/ these little touches, the adcoms will see that you genuinely care about and want to attend their school. You can also write a letter iterating that their school is your top choice, etc... and what aspects you'd contribute to their school, what aspects you'd like to gain from going to school there, etc. They like to see thinking minds.</p>

<p>Lastly, regarding the ED school, that is a decision that you alone must make. If you truly like Penn or Duke, don't be afraid to pursue your dream! Make sure you articulate that you really like the school in your application. Aside from admissions, have you visited Penn or Duke? The environments of both schools are quite different (in the city vs. in a small town) and the weather is also different. Academically, both are strong for premed, but Duke's bio dept. is better.</p>

<p>Good luck w/ your decision! You still got a while to decide so get some advice from other ppl. Be sure to apply to the other schools on your list RD as well in case ED doesn't work out and spend just as much time and effort on those apps. :)</p>

<p>-Will</p>

<p>Hey Leejwwc, you really provide great advice. This is T_college, my account got disabled for some reason. I am applying as a freshman and I will apply Domestic. I really want to further discuss my ED plight with you in a quicker and convenient way. Perhaps do you have an AOL instant messenger screen name?</p>

<p>thanks.</p>

<p>I think you have a good shot. I disagree with the statement that SAT IIs are as important as SAT Is. Many top school's strongly opposed the addition of writing to the SAT Is and I was told on a georgetown visit that they will continue to focus on the math/verbal breakdown even on the new SATs, simply becasue they a.) don't feel it should be 2/3 verbal and b.) writing tests place minorities at a signifigant disadvantage. I do think they're important, but not at all to the degree of SAT Is, and as mentioned earlier all of your scores otherwise are very impressive. I am an upcoming duke freshman and didn't due too much better on writing, so no worries. I wish you the best of luck in the admissions procress and maybe i'll see you in a year.</p>

<p>Thanks benndaman33, I appreciate your feedback. There is just one thing that boggles my mind and that is the mere fact of acceptance rates. I know Cornell has a 43% ED rate, JHU has a 50% ED rate, and well Duke - 32 or 31% ED rate. So, I know I shouldnt focus on these numbers and talk rather on my passion. However, for me, I personally would be the happiest at Duke and also really happy at the other two. But I am not sure where I should apply. I hope the SAT Writing of 640 doesnt do too bad for apps. </p>

<p>However, as I mentioned earlier, I will take a year off (look above). Do you think this will an impressive addition for colleges to see?</p>

<p>Med_TMuds - hey, yeah my aim is the same as my cc name, leejwwc</p>

<p>cornell's ed rate was 41.6% ED :)</p>

<p>Your SAT subject tests are very nice, but I suggest you retake the SAT I. Since you took the old SAT I, this means the very latest you could have taken the test would have been January of your sophomore year. While a 1480 is certainly a very respectable score, a person of your academic caliber could improve their score after more than a year. Take it in April as a junior, and I wouldn't be surprised if you improve by 150+ points (you can easily bring up that writing!) which can push your odds from "good" to "very good". Also, I think you almost have to retake the SAT, I don't think colleges will accept the old SAT for the class of 2011.</p>