Chances at Williams for next year?

<p>Haha, I know williams acceptances just came in, but I visited williams over february break and absolutely fell in love with it. Any realistic opinions would be appreciated.</p>

<p>White Male Long Island, NY
School doesn't rank
Gpa: 3.6 out of 4 uw 4.5 out of 5 w
SAT 1st sitting V 650 M 720 W 720
2nd sitting V 700 M 780 W 750
SAT II Math IC 750 Chemistry 750
Course difficulty, most difficult course schedule, 1 AP sophmore, 3 junior, 5 senior year, plus taking calculus III at a local college
EC:
Two years varsity football, only junior o line starter captain for senior year
Three Years varsity basketball Captain for senior year, all-conference player this year
Vice President of Letter Club, a club for athletes that do community service most likely president next year, raised over 1000 dollars for a family for Christmas gifts.
Mallet Percussion, 2 Time all-county band, hopefully all state next year.
Going to do summer research at University of Florida, already have done research and done well in some science fairs.</p>

<p>So I plan on applying to williams ed, I know that its incredibly difficult to get in, all I'm asking if I'm a competitive applicant</p>

<p>Read the RD Williams thread and you can see just how unpredictable and difficult getting into any top college, including Williams, has become. Frankly, it's a crapshoot. </p>

<p>That being said, your numbers are good enough to put you in the ballpark, but probably not enough to get you admitted without a hook. You do sound like you'd fit in perfectly at Williams with your interest in athletics, music, and scientific research (all strong points at Williams). </p>

<p>So, first and foremost, have you spoken with the football and/or basketball coach? If you are good enough to be a tip (impact player), you are a likely admit, and if you are good enough to at least be a contributor to one of those teams (called a protect), your chances are also pretty good. </p>

<p>If your athletic credentials fall short of that level, you are in a difficult boat, because lots of good high school athletes are attracted to Williams, but there are so many recruited athletes that there aren't a ton of slots for the well rounded athletic kid. Fortunately, you have other ways to position yourself. If you can perform intel-contender level science research this summer, your odds are outstanding. If your community service shows a remarkable and unusual commitment to helping others, that would help. And if Williams really needs a percussionist, sounds like you may be good enough to fit the bill there if you continue to work on that talent. In sum, I'd try talking to coaches first, and if that doesn't prove helpful, I would keep focusing on the many things you do best and are most committed to (music, scientific research, service), all of which are appealing to Williams, and apply ED if you are convinced it's your dream school.</p>

<p>I think you're a very competitive applicant. Are you considering playing a sport/sports at Williams? If so, contact the coach/es and introduce yourself to them; they should be able to provide an assessment of whether or how you would fit on their team/s. </p>

<p>Applying ED will increase your chances of receiving an acceptance.</p>

<p>Thanks for the replies, I'm almost positive I'm going to apply ED, talking with the coaches is a good idea though, I definitely have to do that, would talking with the music department help as well. I've read the RD williams thread, and I was amazed at how many qualified applicants weren't accepted. I'll just have to focus and hope for the best.</p>

<p>tennisjump:</p>

<p>Wow. Your situation is really a tough one to handicap. As a starting point, most applicants need two things: really good academics and something that makes them stand out and fills a "need" on campus. You certainly have the test scores, but without any knowledge of your high school or your class rank, it's hard to evaluate where you stand on Williams academic scale. In other words, top 10% at some high schools is excellent for Williams; at other schools you want to be top 2 or or top 3.</p>

<p>Williams enrolls about 150 recruited athletes each year (out of a freshman class of 528). These fall into three categories:</p>

<p>a) 66 tips. These are slots used by the athletic department to enroll recruited athletes with below average stats. They would seldom "waste" one of these slots on a student with very good academics who could get accepted without the tip. The only time they would use a tip on a high-stat kid would be if it is a nationally ranked impact player. For an extreme example, they would use a tip on Tiger Woods even if he had 2400 SATs and was ranked #1 in his class with 20 APs.</p>

<p>b) 32 protects. Protects are used for recruits who have more or less "average" academic stats for Williams. In the pile of average stats, some kids will get in and others won't. The 32 protects are used by the athletic department to make sure that 32 recruited athletes get the nod.</p>

<p>c) 50 or so recruited athletes who get no boost from the athletic department because they have above average academics and the coaches are willing to roll the dice and hope these players get accepted without using a slot. Coaches sweet talk these player to get them to apply; tell 'em they are great, and all that, but at the end of the day don't use a slot to help with admissions. Because 72% of Williams students played varsity sports in high school, the athletics department can afford to roll the dice. They don't know which 50 they'll get, but the odds are they will always get 50 likely 4-year varsity players based on the sports-oriented composition of the Williams applicant pool.</p>

<p>Because of your athletics, you need to meet with the coaches (football and basketball) at all of your colleges and try to figure out where you might stand in these categories. It will vary from school to school. What is not good enough to be an impact recruit at Williams might be good enough to be an impact player at another less sports-oriented school.</p>

<p>Here's why your case is interesting and tough to predict. If you are NOT considered for one of these athletic slots at Williams, then you are kind of in no man's land. Your major ECs (football and baskeball) might not get any brownie points at Williams. Because Williams attracts so many athletes, they don't really need more athletes beyond the 150 or so recruited athletes each year. Instead, they need to worry more about attracting musicians, physics geeks, theater types, political activists, artists, language majors, and so on and so forth to get all of the types of students for a balanced campus. So, if you don't generate any excitement from the coaches, then you've got to think about featuring your other stuff on your application to Williams and/or finding schools where you would generate enthusiasm from the coaches. Fortunately, you've got other good stuff to feature, but you will be competing against the other musicians, science researchers, etc.</p>

<p>Bottom line. You are certainly a credible applicant for Williams, but trying to peg your odds is a pretty complicated endeavor. A lot will depend on how you read the coaches' interest.</p>

<p>"would talking with the music department help as well"</p>

<p>It couldn't hurt -- and would give you more ideas for emphasis and presenting yourself in your overall application.</p>