Chances difference between applying for 9th and 10th

mijiking · February 21, 2011, 10:36am

From the school information, we could find how many students apply for the school but we cannot find informtion which tells us how many students apply for 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th. For the scores and so on, schools are posting the average scores for the all admitted students. Do you think there will be more chances on the students who are applying for 9th than other grades? Normally, school has more opening for 9th than other grades. It will be good if we can share the information about the chances related with the topic. Thanks.

ylaxw1123 · February 21, 2011, 10:43am

well 9th grade is when they open the most spots since they are accepting an entire graduating class. most schools do open up spots for 10th,11th, and even 12th grade. it really depends on the school how many spots. I’d say usually around 15 or more, but it depends on the school and the year. like i’m a girl applying to lawrenceville, and they recently built a brand new house, so they are doubling the number of FEMALE spots. the number of people applying IS less than 9th grade, but it is still very competitive for the small number of spots that they open in comparison to 9th gade admission.

mijiking · February 21, 2011, 10:51am

Thanks for the reply. For Andover and Exeter, they have around 80 spots for 10th. Here is the class distribution from Andover.
Grade 12 - 335 (includes 24 postgraduates)
Grade 11 - 283
Grade 10 - 290
Grade 9 - 203

ylaxw1123 · February 22, 2011, 4:06pm

why are there more sophomores than juniors…

ifax108 · February 22, 2011, 5:09pm

I heard Andover expelled a lot of kids recently for drug use. I’d guess a good number of juniors (11th graders) were asked to leave.

DAndrew · February 22, 2011, 5:21pm

^^I think most of 15ish (?) kids who broke the rules were DC’ed but didn’t leave the school, but the graduting class is pretty big, so I’d guess they’ll enroll more students this year.

(Are the numbers in post #3 up-to-date?)

Tinkerbell41 · February 23, 2011, 10:55am

We have talked to many schools about 9th vs. 10th. For the vast majority, the acceptance rate is the same. There may be fewer openings for 10th grade, but fewer applicants as well.

St. Paul’s does not plan to add any juniors - the only openings there are from students who don’t return after 10th grade. They do not accept new seniors of PG’s.

For my daughter, she is willing to enter as a 10th grader or to repeat and indicated so on her applications - hopefully giving them more flexibility in her admissions.

DAndrew · February 23, 2011, 11:05am

That’s what I like about SPS. I wish all other schools could follow that practice. Admitting juniors and even more ridiculously admitting seniors as part of the planned enrollment just does’t make sense to me. Openings due to attrition or even to faciliate the special needs of a few are acceptable, but just for what purpose do boarding schools admit seniors and PG’s? I still can’t make sense of it. (after these many years in the BS scene)

mhmm · February 23, 2011, 11:15am

for athletic purposes

mamakiwi · February 23, 2011, 11:16am

Thanks Tinkerbell. Glad you asked!

DAndrew · February 23, 2011, 11:23am

mhmm, I know, but that’s not a good enough reason for me. It’s ridiculous to me that the school plans its enrollment for “atheletic purposes”, but it’s just me I guess - I’ve never been big on sports.

Tinkerbell41 · February 23, 2011, 11:47am

Some of it is athletic, but my son seriously considered applying for a PG year in order to take additional math and science classes. Many times students are just not ready for college and a PG year (or senior year) at a prep school is a great transition. 
Schools we interviewed with for the PG year (although ultimately, he decided not to apply) told us that while many (if not most) of their PG’s are athletic, they look for students who are wanting to make an impact on the school - be it in a sport, community service, or whatever.

I also know of a coach at one school who only “recruits” repeat juniors or lower as he wants them on his team for more than one year. Same school, high number of PG’s for another sport. It all depends.

When we interviewed at SPS several years ago, they were “selling” the non-senior/PG aspect of the school as a good athletic benefit. Citing how bad it would be to be working your way up to a starter only to be sidelined by an incoming Senior or PG. They never mentioned any other reason in the interview (not saying there are not other reasons, just they were selling the sports one heavily to a non-recruited athlete).

CKSABS · February 23, 2011, 11:48am

DAndrew- They are also there academic reasons. Not all all students are ready for the academic rigors of college when they graduate, so it is a year to develop strong study skills and prove themselves. I am also aware that the Naval Academy will recommend some prep schools to defer a year before entry to the Academy. (I know of one student that had to get braces to fix his teeth before he could go to Navy. True story.)

You’ll also find international students using it as a transition year to US colleges and universities.

DAndrew · February 23, 2011, 12:07pm

But that’s a compelling reason isn’t it? I think they didn’t mention other reasons because other reasons are more generic such as taking up the school’s limited resources for mainly “atheletics purposes”.

I am not sure given many or most PGs/seniors are atheletes, how much other contribution can they make to the school community in that one year, and how much loss there would be to the school without it? Like anything else, there are always some pluses and some minuses. Personally, I’d like to see the schools focus their resources and efforts on the students who have been there for 3-4 years, find them more opportunities and develop their “home grown” heroes “from scratch”.

CKSABS · February 23, 2011, 12:44pm

DAndrew: Schools would prefer students for several years as well. Studies have shown the the longer a student is at the school, the more loyal they are and that translates into future giving. In the end, PGs can be used as a cash flow management tool. This is especially true at schools with higher attrition and/or larger student bodies.

DAndrew · February 23, 2011, 12:49pm

^^Makes sense. BTW, among GLADCHEMMS, other than SPS, which ones don’t have PG’s, and which ones don’t have planned enrollment for grades other than 9th and 10th?

CKSABS · February 23, 2011, 12:51pm

I’ll also add that is well known which schools admit Seniors and PGs. Ther ISL schools do not allow PGs, so they may be a better fit for those with concerns about PGs. However, you also have to look at which sports PGs play for each school. There are many varsity teams at “PG schools” without any PGs.

The PG discussion reminds me of the designated hitter debate between the AL and NL in baseball.

CKSABS · February 23, 2011, 12:57pm

From Boarding School Review:

Boarding School Type Grades* Location 
Academy of the Holy Family All-girls 9-12, PG Baltic, CT 
Avon Old Farms School All-boys 9-12, PG Avon, CT 
Berkshire School Co-ed 9-12, PG Sheffield, MA 
Blair Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG Blairstown, NJ 
The Bolles School Co-ed 7-12, PG Jacksonville, FL 
Brandon Hall School Co-ed 7-12, PG Atlanta, GA 
Brehm Preparatory School Co-ed 6-12, PG Carbondale, IL 
Brenau Academy All-girls 9-12, PG Gainesville, GA 
Brentwood College School Co-ed 9-12, PG Mill Bay, Canada 
Brewster Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG Wolfeboro, NH 
Bridgton Academy All-boys 12-12, PG North Bridgton, ME 
Bronte College of Canada Co-ed 9-12, PG Mississauga, Ontario, Canada 
The Cambridge School of Weston Co-ed 9-12, PG Weston, MA 
Camden Military Academy All-boys 7-12, PG Camden, SC 
Canterbury School Co-ed 9-12, PG New Milford, CT 
Carrabassett Valley Academy Co-ed 8-12, PG Carrabassett Valley, ME 
CCI The Renaissance School Co-ed 10-12, PG Lanciano (CH), Italy 
Chapel Hill-Chauncy Hall Co-ed 9-12, PG Waltham, MA 
Cheshire Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG Cheshire, CT 
Choate Rosemary Hall Co-ed 9-12, PG Wallingford, CT 
Christchurch School Co-ed 9-12, PG Christchurch, VA 
Colorado Rocky Mountain School Co-ed 9-12, PG Carbondale, CO 
Colorado Timberline Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG Durango, CO 
Columbia International College Co-ed 7-12, PG Hamilton, Canada 
Cotter Schools Co-ed 9-12, PG Winona, MN 
Cushing Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG Ashburnham, MA 
Darlington School Co-ed 9-12, PG Rome, GA 
Deerfield Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG Deerfield, MA 
Ecole dHumanité Co-ed 9-12, PG Hasliberg Goldern, Switzerland 
Emma Willard School All-girls 9-12, PG Troy, NY 
Erie First Christian Academy Co-ed 8-12, PG Erie, PA 
Fenster School Co-ed 9-12, PG Tucson, AZ 
Fishburne Military School All-boys 7-12, PG Waynesboro, VA 
Fork Union Military Academy All-boys 6-12, PG Fork Union, VA 
The Forman School Co-ed 9-12, PG Litchfield, CT 
Fryeburg Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG Fryeburg, ME 
The Glenholme School Co-ed 5-12, PG Washintgon, CT 
Gould Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG Bethel, ME 
The Gow School All-boys 7-12, PG South Wales, NY 
Grand River Academy All-boys 9-12, PG Austinburg, OH 
Grier School All-girls 7-12, PG Tyrone, PA 
The Gunnery Co-ed 9-12, PG Washington, CT 
Hank Haney International Junior Golf Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG Hilton Head Island, SC 
Hargrave Military Academy All-boys 7-12, PG Chatham, VA 
Hawai’i Preparatory Academy Co-ed 6-12, PG Kamuela, HI 
Hebron Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG Hebron, ME 
Hill School Co-ed 9-12, PG Pottstown, PA 
Holderness School Co-ed 9-12, PG Plymouth, NH 
Hoosac School Co-ed 8-12, PG Hoosick, NY 
The Hotchkiss School Co-ed 9-12, PG Lakeville, CT 
Houghton Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG Houghton, NY 
The Hun School of Princeton Co-ed 9-12, PG Princeton, NJ 
Hyde School - Bath, ME Co-ed 9-12, PG Bath, ME 
Hyde School - Woodstock, CT Co-ed 9-12, PG Woodstock, CT 
Idyllwild Arts Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG Idyllwild, CA 
Interlochen Arts Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG Interlochen, MI 
Kent School Co-ed 9-12, PG Kent, CT 
Kents Hill School Co-ed 9-12, PG Kents Hill, ME 
The Kildonan School Co-ed 7-12, PG Amenia, NY 
Kimball Union Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG Meriden, NH 
The Kiski School All-boys 9-12, PG Saltsburg, PA 
The Knox School Co-ed 7-12, PG St. James, NY 
La Lumiere School Co-ed 9-12, PG La Porte, IN 
Lake Forest Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG Lake Forest, IL 
Lawrenceville School Co-ed 9-12, PG Lawrenceville, NJ 
Leysin American School in Switzerland (LAS) Co-ed 8-12, PG 1854 Leysin, Switzerland 
Linden Hall All-girls 5-12, PG Lititz, PA 
The Loomis Chaffee School Co-ed 9-12, PG Windsor, CT 
Lyndon Institute Co-ed 9-12, PG Lyndon Center, VT 
The MacDuffie School Co-ed 9-12, PG Springfield, MA 
Maine Central Institute Co-ed 9-12, PG Pittsfield, ME 
The Marvelwood School Co-ed 9-12, PG Kent, CT 
Massanutten Military Academy Co-ed 7-12, PG Woodstock, VA 
The Meeting School Co-ed 9-12, PG Rindge, NH 
Mercersburg Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG Mercersburg, PA 
Middlebridge School Co-ed 7-12, PG Wakefield, RI 
Millbrook School Co-ed 9-12, PG Millbrook, NY 
Miller School Co-ed 8-12, PG Charlottesville, VA 
Missouri Military Academy All-boys 6-12, PG Mexico, MO 
Montverde Academy Co-ed 7-12, PG Montverde, FL 
Nawa Academy Co-ed 7-12, PG French Gulch, CA 
New Hampton School Co-ed 9-12, PG New Hampton, NH 
Northfield Mount Hermon School Co-ed 9-12, PG Mount Hermon, MA 
Northwood School Co-ed 9-12, PG Lake Placid, NY 
Oak Creek Ranch School Co-ed 7-12, PG West Sedona, AZ 
Oldfields School All-girls 8-12, PG Glencoe, MD 
Oliverian School Co-ed 9-12, PG Haverhill, NH 
The Orme School of Arizona Co-ed 8-12, PG Mayer, AZ 
Peddie School Co-ed 9-12, PG Hightstown, NJ 
The Perkiomen School Co-ed 7-12, PG Pennsburg, PA 
The Phelps School All-boys 7-12, PG Malvern, PA 
Phillips Academy Andover Co-ed 9-12, PG Andover, MA 
Phillips Exeter Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG Exeter, NH 
Pomfret School Co-ed 9-12, PG Pomfret, CT 
Proctor Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG Andover, NH 
The Putney School Co-ed 9-12, PG Putney, VT 
Randolph-Macon Academy Co-ed 6-12, PG Front Royal, VA 
Ridley College Co-ed Pre-K-12, PG St Catharines, Canada 
Rosseau Lake College Co-ed 7-12, PG Rosseau, Canada 
Saddlebrook Preparatory School Co-ed 7-12, PG Wesley Chapel (Tampa), FL 
St. Andrew’s School Co-ed Pre-K-2, PG Barrington, RI 
St. Croix Schools Co-ed 6-12, PG St. Paul, MN 
St. Johnsbury Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG St. Johnsbury, VT 
St. John’s Northwestern Military Academy All-boys 7-12, PG Delafield, WI 
Saint John’s Preparatory School Co-ed 9-12, PG Collegeville, MN 
St. Stanislaus College Preparatory All-boys 7-12, PG Bay St. Louis, MS 
St. Stephen’s School Co-ed 9-12, PG Rome, Italy 
St. Thomas More School All-boys 8-12, PG Oakdale, CT 
St. Timothy’s School All-girls 9-12, PG Stevenson, MD 
Salisbury School All-boys 9-12, PG Salisbury, CT 
Scattergood Friends School Co-ed 9-12, PG West Branch, IA 
Shattuck-St. Mary’s School Co-ed 6-12, PG Faribault, MN 
South Kent School All-boys 9-12, PG South Kent, CT 
Southwestern Academy Co-ed 6-12, PG San Marino, CA 
Stoneleigh-Burnham School All-girls 7-12, PG Greenfield, MA 
Suffield Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG Suffield, CT 
The Taft School Co-ed 9-12, PG Watertown, CT 
TASIS The American School in England Co-ed 9-12, PG Thorpe, Surrey TW20 8TE, United Kingdom 
Thomas Jefferson School Co-ed 7-12, PG Saint Louis, MO 
Tilton School Co-ed 9-12, PG Tilton, NH 
Trinity Pawling School All-boys 9-12, PG Pawling, NY 
Valley Forge Military Academy All-boys 7-12, PG Wayne, PA 
Valley International Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG Campbell, CA 
Vermont Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG Saxtons River, VT 
Wasatch Academy Co-ed 8-12, PG Mt. Pleasant, UT 
Washington Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG East Machias, ME 
The Webb School Co-ed 7-12, PG Bell Buckle, TN 
Wentworth Military Academy & College Co-ed 9-12, PG Lexington, MO 
West Nottingham Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG Colora, MD 
Western Reserve Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG Hudson, OH 
Westminster School Co-ed 9-12, PG Simsbury, CT 
The White Mountain School Co-ed 9-12, PG Bethlehem, NH 
Wilbraham & Monson Academy Co-ed 9-12, PG Wilbraham, MA 
The Williston Northampton School Co-ed 9-12, PG Easthampton, MA 
The Winchendon School Co-ed 9-12, PG Winchendon, MA 
Wolfeboro: The Summer Boarding School Co-ed 6-12, PG Wolfeboro, NH 
Wyoming Seminary Upper School Co-ed 9-12, PG Kingston, PA

DAndrew · February 23, 2011, 1:16pm

Looks like SPS, Hotchkiss, Groton, Milton and Middlesex don’t have PG’s. How about schools with no planned enrollment for grades other than 9th and 10th? Maybe we need to check each school’s website to find that info?

neatoburrito · February 23, 2011, 1:30pm

Hotchkiss has PGs. None of the ISL schools have PGs. There was a very long and interesting thread last year about the place of PGs, seniors, and junior repeats in schools. It didn’t start that way but morphed into it because of someone commenting that they would pick one school over the other because they don’t have PGs. It was interesting. I’ll do a cursory search…

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