Chances for a recruited athlete?

<p>Personal
-Male
-17 years old
-Uzbek/Russian Ethnicity
-From Georgia</p>

<p>Academic
- GPA: 3.566
- Cumulative: 92.33
- Class Rank: 113/567
- SAT: 2200 (720 M, 680 CR, 800 W)
- ACT: 31
- Honor Roll (9-12)
- Academic Letter (9)
- 1st Place in State: 2011 Math Kangaroo Competition
*Participated for 4 years (2008-2011)
- 13 AP classes
- Panther of Distinction (Scholar-Athlete) (9)
- AP Scholar with Honor</p>

<p>Athletics
- Played baseball for 5 years
- Freshman Baseball
*Region Champions (2009)
- Freshman Basketball
- Named Most Valuable Player on Summer Baseball Team (2011)</p>

<p>Extracurricular Activities
- Volunteer Club (9-12)
- FBLA (11-12)
- Secular Student Alliance (11-12)
*Co-President
*Only High-School Chapter in the state </p>

<ul>
<li>Technology Student Association (12)</li>
<li>Pull-Out Intervention Program (Tutored Algebra) (9-10)</li>
<li>History Club (11-12)</li>
<li>Democrats Club (11-12)</li>
<li>School Newspaper Staff (12)</li>
<li>Published in School Literary Magazine (11-12)</li>
<li>National English Honor Society (12)
*Volunteer in School Writing Lab
*Volunteered in Creative Writing Summer Camp</li>
<li>Selected to attend the 21st Century Leaders: CNN Leadership Unplugged Summer Program at Georgia Tech (2011)</li>
<li>Participant in the County Bar Law Explorer’s Program (12)</li>
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<p>Jobs
- Founder and President of a lawn care/small jobs service that I run with my friends throughout the year (10-12)
- Tutor kids in reading, writing, and math (9-12)</p>

<p>Interests:
- Reading/Writing
- Weight Lifting
- Music
*Won a recital award from a School of Music for the Alto Saxophone (2009)
- Computer Programming
*Self-taught in Java and C++</p>

<p>On paper you seem like an excellent prospect. Note, though, this from an admissions staffer: [Oberlin</a> Blogs | Blog Entry: “What are my chances?”](<a href=“http://blogs.oberlin.edu/applying/selection_process/what_are_my_cha.shtml]Oberlin”>http://blogs.oberlin.edu/applying/selection_process/what_are_my_cha.shtml)</p>

<p>Thanks for your input, that’s a good link.</p>

<p>You’re a Democrat. Excellent.</p>

<p>Yes, I was secretary of the club to boot! Haha.</p>

<p>Looks like you stand a chance on your own merit. Add in some support from a coach and I would think you are in. Do coaches at Oberlin have some pull with admissions? Have you asked that of the coach? I would guess that you have already discussed this based on the title of your thread! Good Luck!</p>

<p>Yes, the coach for my sport says that he’ll support my application. There is definitely some leveraging power on their side but I’m not sure how much it is.</p>

<p>You listed, under “Interests” – “Music *Won a recital award from a School of Music for the Alto Saxophone (2009)” so I think it’s worth noting that your chances for a place in the Conservatory are far less predictable on this forum than your chances at the college. I suspect everyone here was addressing your chances at the college, not the conservatory. And I think that’s probably reasonable of them. But – on the off chance you’re interested in the conservatory, even as a double degree candidate – you need to understand that the conservatory process is far less predictable than the college process.</p>

<p>Also, at this point, by posting such a detailed description of yourself, your identity will be plain to people who read this message board and have your admission folder. You can’t do anything about anything you have posted up to this point, but I would suggest you get a different account for the future or, as a fallback position, proceed on College Confidential with the attitude that everything you post will be connected to you (and your admission file). The reason I suggest ditching “7steps” is that I don’t think you can profit from things you post in the future (independent of additional news you actively submit as part of your application) but I do think it’s possible that your application can suffer from comments you offer up under that name. In other words, now that your actual identity is obvious to admission officers, your future posts can only operate to hurt your application, not help it. At least you should assume as much.</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>If you are inquiring about the Conservatory, check out the Music Majors section of College Confidential. There is lots of good information there.</p>

<p>You guys got it right, I’m applying to just the college. I’m nowhere near good enough to compete for the Conservatory haha.</p>

<p>D’yer Maker,</p>

<p>Good point. I’ll make sure to be cognizant of the content of my posts from now on.</p>

<p>PLAINSMAN, Why being democrat so important? Does Oberlin Accept Conservatives or Independents? I hear some colleges are extremely liberal and conservatives need not (or are advised not to apply). Please tell me this ain’t so at Oberlin! Should I apply to Kenyon instead? ; o )</p>

<p>Of course Oberlin accepts conservatives and independents. Your chances of admission don’t depend on your politics. Conservatives are definitely in the minority at Oberlin, but the campus will respect your right to your own opinions. Oberlin has a long and proud history of social progressivism–but that definitely includes the rights of free speech and opinion.</p>

<p>@cckerry: No, don’t do that! At Oberlin you’ll be a URM and a shoe-in! (Just kidding! I joke, I joke!)</p>

<p>I don’t think there’s a place on the application where you would have to disclose your political leanings.</p>

<p>Even if you worked that into an essay or an extracurricular activity, I strongly doubt your chances of admission would be impacted by what you believe; though it could be impacted by what you did.</p>

<p>For example, I suspect that the admissions committee would consider what these people DID, not what they BELIEVE, in terms of which items are impressive: </p>

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<li><p>President of Young Republican Club since 4th grade, growing the membership from 12 to 380</p></li>
<li><p>organized 120 volunteers from your high school in support of a Free Gold candidate for dog catcher</p></li>
<li><p>second vice-chair of the decorations committee for my school’s first annual “Hip-Hop Dance to Stop Climate Change” that raised $62.39 and a pair of lightly-used Birkenstocks.</p></li>
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<p>I think it’s easy to pick out what activities are impressive here while being truly blind to the applicant’s political ideology.</p>

<p>In terms of how political compatibility impacts students after matriculation, I see many discussions on CC that dwell on difference in political ideology as an area of concern in terms of “fit” and I think those conversations are almost as inane as “chances” threads.</p>

<p>You will be in a community of thousands of students, meaning that you will have to be at an extreme end of a political spectrum in order to feel politically isolated, even where the prevailing winds blow hard left or right or moderate. Your immediate community of friends will be self-selected and much smaller and, if political ideology is truly important, you can find yourself surrounded by like-minded thinkers without much effort.</p>

<p>And it’s this fact – that your college experience is shaped by a far smaller orbit than one that sweeps across the full expanse of the student body and faculty – that brings me to the principal reason that I think these discussions are inane: college students generally don’t select their friends based on political ideology.</p>

<p>How many high school seniors are themselves looking at that as a litmus test for who they hang with? I suspect most of these concerns about political compatibility are driven by parents and other stuffed shirts over the age of 30 (meaning they cannot be trusted…except when they’re saying that they can’t be trusted). I can see how parents would be afraid that Sammy or Sally might go off and befriend students who vote differently. I don’t think Sammy or Sally give a single thought to that when asking around the dorm who wants to go to the 'Sco.</p>

<p>What you DO want to consider (if you can trust me for a moment) is whether students are open-minded or close-minded – about anything and everything, looking well beyond politics. This goes to musical tastes and, for a prospective athlete like the OP, whether they are embraced as members of the academic community or whether they’re outcasts or even placed on a pedestal (but kept separate). At Oberlin, you might want to know if someone who likes disco and techno will be shunned by con students. Even if you don’t like disco and techno yourself, that might be relevant because if students are throwing up barriers like that at any college, it’s likely that they’re not doing it in one narrow arena. Maybe you’re into Star Wars or on-line gaming. Will you be ostracized for that…or will people still walk to the far end of the hall to knock on your door to see if you’re up for grabbing a second dinner even though they’re clueless about those things? Yes, politics might be included in this…but it would be one of many considerations under the broader inquiry of open-mindedness and close-mindedness.</p>

<p>I don’t go to Oberlin and I won’t offer an answer to that question. I’m just suggesting that, when you’re trying to glean where you’ll “fit” as a student, the “political compatibility” test is one to avoid and the “open-mindedness” test is one to explore.</p>

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<p>I didn’t say it was important to the college. I was speaking for myself. I’m not a Democrat, by the way. I’ve been a registered Independent for 25 years. But I realize there are two major political parties in control of the USA (whether that is good or bad is another topic), and if I’m forced to choose between the two, which tends to happen on Election Day, well, it’s not a contest. I was simply congratulating the young man in accordance with my own views.</p>

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<p>The first part of your sentence is true, the second part is false. </p>

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<p>The proportion of Democrats vs. Republicans at Kenyon is probably not that much different than Oberlin. I don’t have any stats to show but Kenyon is not a Republican or Conservative paradise. Not even close. If that’s what you’re looking for in an LAC, I recommend Washington & Lee. Highly ranked. Very conservative.</p>

<p>Sorry to interrupt your political discussion, but I just wanted to say that I am the only Oberlin admissions counselor who monitors College Confidential (Ma’ayan works for Oberlin, but not in Admissions), and 1) I never make any effort to determine the true identity of an applicant posting on College Confidential and 2) even if I were to find out a poster’s identity, their comments here would not be added to their admissions file. I participate in College Confidential to help ensure that posters receive factually correct information about Oberlin, and to provide another medium prospective students can use to ask questions. I would view tracking an applicant’s posts on College Confidential to be 1) an inappropriate use of this forum and 2) a complete waste of my very limited time.
Of course, I can’t comment on other colleges’ policies, so D’yer Maker’s advice is still sound in principle, but I just wanted to let you know that there’s no reason to be paranoid about Oberlin admissions counselors reading your posts.</p>

<p>Those assurances notwithstanding, I submit that the chances description and other activity may be so stark that it’s impossible for an admission officer not to make the connection when the file is read or discussed in committee. And, as I said before, the connection won’t operate in favor of an applicant but it could operate against the applicant’s chances.</p>

<p>More significantly, and those assurances still notwithstanding, posters who throw down chances threads are leaving it up to the discretion of admission officers as to whether they want their true-life identities and College Confidential histories laid bare. Also bear in mind that admission officers are not the only people who can pick up on specifics in chances threads and make the connection between College Confidential accounts to real-life people.</p>

<p>Whether Oberlin actually checks behind applicants who post chances doesn’t change the fact that posting that kind of information is reckless and risky on-line behavior. I believe this is the main reason why “chances” threads are absurd – even for students who approach it purely for entertainment purposes, much like a tarot card reading.</p>