Chances for a Wisconsin Boy

Colleges and Universities A-Z University of Virginia
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<p>First, I am not in any way p****** off although gratuitous cheap shots about earning some money are not very adult commentary. I'll just say I do OK and donate significant amounts to UW every year. </p>

<p>I said UVa was a good place to go to get away from Madison. For state schools it would be one of my top 3 choices.</p>

<p>However I do feel that many are unaware of some facts when it comes to what UW is and has to offer. Making people aware of factual information is called education and that's why people enjoy this site compared to many others where the focus is just on fighting.
UW's endowment total is about the same as UVa's. Much of it is held by an independent entitiy called the Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation or WARF. It was established to keep all funds away from state control and has been very successful with about $2 Billion in net assets. The UW Foundation has $1.9 Billion and the UW itself holds around $400 Million for a total of over $4 Billion.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.uwfoundation.wisc.edu/web/www.nsf/externalsite?openagent&newURL=http://www.wisc.edu//%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.uwfoundation.wisc.edu/web/www.nsf/externalsite?openagent&newURL=http://www.wisc.edu//&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://www.uwfoundation.wisc.edu/web/www.nsf/allpublished/financial+report%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.uwfoundation.wisc.edu/web/www.nsf/allpublished/financial+report&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Until his recent retirement Prof Jones was the leading political science prof in the US and held the spot on NPR that Sabato now holds for national political commentary. Guess where we found him ?</p>

<p>Jones, Charles O. (1988-97)
b. October 28, 1931
Worthing, SD
Degrees: BA University of South Dakota, 1953
MS University of Wisconsin, 1956
PhD University of Wisconsin, 1960
Publications: Party and Policy-Making: The House Republican Policy Committee, 1965
The Republican Part in American Politics, 1965
Every Second Year: Congressional Behavior and the Two-Year Term, 1967
Minority Party in Congress, 1970
Clean Air: The Policies and Politics of Pollution Control, 1975
The United States Congress: People, Place, and Policy, 1982
An Introduction to the Study of Public Policy, 3rd edition, 1984
The Trusteeship Presidency: Jimmy Carter and the United States Congress, 1988
The Presidency in a Separated System, 1994
Separate But Equal Branches: Congress and the Presidency, 1995
Passages to the Presidency: From Campaigning to Governing, 1998
Clinton and Congress 1993-1996: Risk, Restoration and Reelection, 1999
Career: Wellesley College, Assistant Professor, 1959-62
National Center for Education in Politics, Associate Director, 1962-63
University of Arizona, Associate Professor/Professor, 1963-69
University of Pittsburgh, Maurice Falk Professor of Politics, 1969-81
University of Virginia, Robert Kent Gooch Professor of Government, 1981-88
University of Wisconsin, Professor (Hawkins Chair), 1988-97</p>

<p><a href="http://www.wws.princeton.edu/bushconf/Jones.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.wws.princeton.edu/bushconf/Jones.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>Untilted, what is your problem? Barrons made a point supported by evidence. There's nothing wrong with that. He wasn't turning it into a combative expierence, he was just making a comparison. </p>

<p>But I'm glad you've settled the debate with, "but really, UVa just has a better overall 'experience'...dont get p*ssed off over it and stop posting sources which no one cares to read." I'm glad you speak for everyone, oh great ruler of the academic universe.</p>

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<p>a good undergrad experience is pretty darn important.</p>

<p>let's compare Wisconsin with uhh....Duke.
academically, UW-Madison doesn't lose much at all. But the greatness of Duke is its undergrad experience..........</p>

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<p>I never meant to sound angry or start a Virginia vs. Wisconsin debate. However, I still believe that Virginia will provide you many more opportunities than Wisconsin, especially for a political science major. You cannot compare D.C. and national and international politics with state politics in Madison. </p>

<p>Furthermore, I still contend that on the East Coast, UVa is much more well known than Wisconsin - and the East Coast is where all the political jobs really are - right near D.C. and right next to UVa. I am sure that UW has great professors as do all universities, but the location opportunities of UVa are too good to pass up.</p>

<p>Lastly, about the endowment - although UVa and UW may have the same amount of endowment (I am trusting Barrons' statistics), UW has an undergrad population more than 2 times that of UVa (almost 2.5 - 3 times more). Hence, UVa's endowment per student is twice as much - which is the real statistic that matters.</p>

<p>You can't go wrong with Virginia, especially in politics.</p>

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<p>Jeez, here we are again using the Gourman Report which is based on RESEARCH and the number of PUBLICATIONS a school outputs. The Gourman Report is NOT based on TEACHING which UVa is nationally known for.</p>

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<p>UVA is the best school in the US. </p>

<p>PERIOD.</p>

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<p>I second that. :)</p>

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<p>I third that..</p>

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<p>Here are some interesting facts to consider:</p>

<p>Wisconsin's undergraduate population: 30,000+
UVa's undergraduate population: 13,000+</p>

<p>Wisconsin's acceptance rate: 60%
UVa's acceptance rate: 39%</p>

<p>Wisconsin's graduation rate: 77%
UVa's graduation rate: 92%</p>

<p>So, out of the 30,000 students at Wisconsin now, 6,900+ won't graduate. That's more than the total number of 1st year and 2nd year students at UVa combined.</p>

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<p>Well hold up now, to be fair to the UW, that's graduate from the UW; we have lots of students who transfer to other state schools for a more specialized focus (film production at Eau Claire, etc). Wisconsin has a very good state system of universities. </p>

<p>Additionally, the acceptance rate is misleading in terms of selectivity. I think lots of students in the US don't give Wisconsin a second clance cause of the weather, and lots of kids at my school (in Madison, the city of the UW) won't even apply there because they don't think they have a chance, when really they do. </p>

<p>The bottom line is you can't go wrong with either school; I just feel like I should get some new experiences, and Virginia is a top notch school that I have a chance of getting into.</p>

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<p>I have nothing against Wisconsin. I'm sure it's a great school, but when a certain somebody (a.k.a. Barrons) has a well-known penchant for bashing UVa on College Confidential, I find it necessary to defend my alma mater.</p>

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<p>Bashing--that's a little harsh. I just poke it once in awhile. Just to keep you awake on slow days--I swear. I really think UVa is fine on the ug level.</p>

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<p>"UVa is fine on the ug level"</p>

<p>only fine? what about: one of the finest!</p>

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<p>Yea, and what about at the graduate level? I'd never consider Wisconsin over UVA for law school or business school.</p>

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<p>Wiscousin's science department is really strong.....so if you are a science geek, go there
If you wanna study law or business, well UVa is the better pick</p>

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<p>UVa does have better law and business schools but it pretty much ends there at the grad level. Med school is a push. UW has far more top ranked PhD programs in liberal arts and sciences, engineering, and education. UW also has very strong medical sciences programs and a great vet school.</p>

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<p>people get crazy about law and business schools, not many people get crazy about science phD programs</p>