Chances for Brown+RISD, CMU, NYU, Cornell, etc etc

College Majors Visual Arts and Film Majors
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<p>I also posted this thread to chances forum, But I think here is right place to postT.T
If not.. well then, I apologize...
anyway, I will welcome any reply:)! </p>

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<p>Hi, I'm often visit the site and watching others threads.. It's really interesting
Anyway, I'm Rising Senior(But In my country, I already spent half of senior year) and will apply for several arts schools+universities as Fine art major, specific major will be Painting, I think.</p>

<p>-School type: Kind of art school, highly competitive.
the school only pick 25 people for one major, and about 100 kids are accepted. Also, the school offers college level courses about major</p>

<p>-Rank/GPA: 1/102(unofficial, But I received scholarship based on my rank almost every semester)
we didn't use GPA system, but average is about 96-97</p>

<p>-SAT: 2000(CR 700, WRi 600 essay 9, Math 700)
This part is what I'm worrying about....T.T</p>

<p>-SAT2: Not Yet, I will take it this November-US history and Japanese</p>

<p>-E.C
-In school
-12th-class president
-11th- class treasurer
-Volunteer works related to school.. not so much
-Honors on almost every subjects I've got it every year
-Varsity-badminton
-English newspaper club, book reading club member</p>

<p>-Outside
-PISAF(International competition about cartoon)-special prize
-Several small prizes at other college-held competition
-Honors prize received from national principal union
-Honors prize received from the minister of Education Ministry
-Art education for the gifted children </p>

<p>-Volunteer Works
-worked as a docent in national gallery, 8 hrs per week.
-volunteer work at national art studio, 8 hrs per week</p>

<p>-Will apply at
-Brown&RISD dual degree program.(Art history for brown, Fine art for RISD)
-Cooper Union
-MICA, Pratt, SVA, SAIC
-NYU, CMU, Cornell</p>

<p>My first choice is Brown&RISD dual program, and the next is Cooper Union
I think I will apply to Brown as early, and RD to RISD^^;
And I know cooper is highly competitive, and pick very small number of international art students. I'm really worrying about it...
I'm really worrying about my chances for Brown.. I know my SAT scores are
not so good (But I'll take again in October) T.T
My teacher said 2000 is enough score for All colleges I listed above..
(Of course, Except Brown as Art history) Is it true?
Since I don't see any people apply to both art schools and university near me, I cannot estimate my competitiveness in application pool...T.T</p>

<p>Also, I want to apply to some LAC, cause I consider Graduate schools in my mind... But I don't know what LAC has good art program:$ </p>

<p>Oh, I will take SAT once again in October, and try to grow score above 2200..
I hope I can get over 750 in both subjects..</p>

<p>Any comments will be welcomed, thanks!</p>

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<p>I don't think your teacher is right about the SAT scores. They are quite low for Brown. For Brown I'm pretty sure you to take two or three SAT 2s as well. That's a very hard admit and I think it would be a long shot for you and most everyone else even those with better SATs than you! Cooper of course a very long shot - admit percentage rate is like 9% or something like that. RISD you've got the name recognition and about a 34% admit rate. Mica reportedly has the best painting department in the country; admit rate 43% or thereabouts. </p>

<p>Of course your portfolio has to be top notch, so chancing you is kind of impossible!</p>

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<p>Thanks for reply and advice:)
Yeah I know my Score for brown is pretty low.. and I will improve it:)!</p>

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<p>You mentioned applying early to Brown, but Brown has a binding ED program. That means if you get accepted, you will have to attend. What if you don't get into RISD? Are you sure you want to commit to Brown without RISD? Granted, I think Brown is a big reach for you (as it is for everyone) but do you want to take that risk?</p>

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<p>Brown-RISD Dual program pick applicants among who get acception to both Brown and RISD, and then pick Dual program applicant among them, again. So exceptionally, I heard ED to Brown and EA to RISD is avaliable for the program^^; Since I know my chance for brown is low, I hope Ed for Brown will boost up small percentage of chances for it... </p>

<p>Anyway, Thanks for your concerns:)</p>

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<p>^^thats right but if you look at the FAQ on the dual degree website it says that if you apply to Brown ED and RISD EA or RD, hoping to get admission to the dual degree program, it is possible you could get admitted to Brown and not RISD or even get admitted to Brown and RISD but still not the Dual Degree Program....either way, you will be forced to attend Brown if you get accepted ED (even if you aren't accepted to the Dual Degree Program)...you will not have a choice.</p>

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<p>alamode is absolutely right; that's exactly what Post #4 was about. You really should NOT apply ED to Brown, unless it is so clearly your #1 choice that you are willing to go there even if you don't get into RISD.</p>

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<p>Colleges, especially small ones use international admits to increase diversity, not just racial but also cultural, religious, economic. In short, they're looking for students who will bring a different outlook to the campus community. </p>

<p>I wouldn't worry so much about your SATs, I or II. Just take them and forget about them. If a selective college wants you it will be because of your life experience (and of course your ability to do the work) NOT because of your SAT scores. </p>

<p>For art history + studio art you should take a look these small liberal arts colleges: Williams, Wesleyan, Hamilton, Kenyon, Skidmore, Conn College. If you are female Smith.</p>

<p>Asians or Southeast Asians are still considered minorities at most of these LACs, much more so than at the larger colleges like Brown or Cornell.</p>

<p>You should plan to submit slide portfolio of your work plus an art resume listing your experiences, awards, achievements. Include a supplementary recommendation from an art instructor or mentor.</p>

<p>You should focus your application on what you as an international with a demonstrated interest in your country's art heritage can offer to the campus community. That's what will get you in, not your SATs.</p>

<p>I'm unclear what the "$" means: Do you need financial aid? If yes, then you need to address that challenge as well. Some colleges do offer financial aid to internationals, but since they admit so few, the aid is also limited.</p>

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<p>I am adding to your list of LAC's by suggesting Oberlin College. They have a small but intelligent art department, an excellent art history department, a long involvement with East Asian studies, and a music conservatory also on campus. They consider international students for financial aid. Please look up their website and see if their Art Studio department sounds satisfactory or sufficient for your needs. If that part is good enough, then all the rest of Oberlin's resources fit your descriptions and could be very pleasing. You could double-major or take majors and minors to express your many interests. Their art museum is considered the best undergraduate art museum collection in the nation. The diversity of the campus population is very healthy. </p>

<p>Similarly, Williams College might be pleasing to you.</p>

<p>Both Oberlin and Williams are challenging in terms of admissions, but they are interested in the whole person's presentation, not just statistics. Both have strong Art History departments and museums on the campus, with towns that are small and safe. </p>

<p>I add these two for their strong Art History offerings, but want to also recommend you investigate every one of the LAC's listed above by Momrath in post #8. Your statistics are within range for all on her list; I simply encourage you to add Oberlin when you research Momrath's excellent list of LAC's (Liberal Arts Colleges). An advantage is that at a LAC, you have only undergraduates so the access to professors and small classes is present in all, not just some, of your courses. There are many discussions of Universities versus Liberal Arts College here on CC to research with a Search function, as each has its advantages. No need to repeat all of that here.</p>

<p>Just note that your current list identified two of the very hardest schools to enter: the Brown/RISD dual degree and Cooper Union! These two could be your reach or dream schools, but every student needs matches and safeties as well. NYU could be exciting if you want to live in the heart of a major, pulsing, HUGE city where the art life never stops, but it can be tough for financial aid for some. Life is fast and loud in NYC, a world apart from the peaceful starlit nights at a small-town campus. You might give thought to what kind of environment will be most comfortable and productive for you as an artist -- rural, suburban or urban. </p>

<p>Best wishes on your search.</p>

<p>A suggestion: check on the wegsites for which SAT-II's are required by the schools on your list. Some require them, some ask for a science or math, others do not require them. </p>

<p>I was concerned to see only 2 SAT-II's listed, with one of them being your native language (if I understand this correctly). Check on every website of every college or university (under Admissions Requirements) as to whether they want SAT-2's and if so, which ones. </p>

<p>It is already assumed that you'd earn an excellent score on an SAT-II of your native language, so perhaps Japanese shouldn't be your second test. You might find you need to take 3 of them. Or, if you take 2, don't take Japanese because if you get a 700+ there, people will not think it's a great achievement! </p>

<p>Look into the College Confidential forum on SAT Preparation and ask some questions there about which SAT-s to take. Each test takes about an hour, and you can take 3 in one sitting, If you have some freedom of choice, take subjects (in addition, or instead of, Japanese) that are strength areas for you, where you could get excellent scores because you're good at the subject. For example, if you are great at Chemistry, or WOrld History, then choose those. I'm trying to say: don't feel you have to take US History because you want to come to the US. But if you are GREAT at US History, then choose it. SAT-2's show you can organize yourself and excel in subject matter. You don't have to prove you are good at US History to study in the US.</p>

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<p>So are you Japanese?
Why do you want to come here for undergrad? $$$$ It's sooo expensive here. Even Tama-bi seems lame in comparison.
Go to gei-dai, save money, come to grad school like Yale or something.
I found undergrad admission and teaching in this country very different from what you might have been accustomed to in Japan. Unless you are familiar with school system, culture, class issue, you are in shock. It can be very good thing though, you can be a star! If you can do manga nowadays, any generic art school kids will cherish you.</p>

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<p>We would love any information on the chances for my son to attend Brown + RISD Dual degree. Or an opinion on his credentials.</p>

<p>GPA - 3.5, AP, IB and Honors classes included (Art, Calculus, Biology, English etc...)
SAT - Oct 2008
ACT - 30, will take again Sept 2008
Class Rank - Top 20%, Class AA Public
Region - Small town Midwest
EC - VP, Treasurer, NHS, Varsity Tennis (4yrs), Member of various clubs and organizations, Community service volunteer, RISD Pre-College Summer Program</p>

<p>We would like some advice: Does he have a chance getting accepted to Brown? I think he has a pretty good chance getting accepted to RISD. Would only be interested in Dual Program. </p>

<p>Thanks for any info</p>

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<p>mmmom, you should have started a new thread for your question, but I'll go ahead and answer while I'm here.</p>

<p>Your son's academic credentials are fine for RISD, but will be on the low end of the applicant pool for Brown. You need to be admitted to both schools for the dual program, and the decision by each school is made independently.</p>

<p>Also remember that admission to RISD is really based primarily on the submitted art portfolio. Even with top grades, a student won't be admitted unless RISD thinks they have artistic talent.</p>

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<p>worried_mom, thanks for the opinion. Yes, I should have started a new thread with my question. It was my first time. Should I copy and paste the question again? </p>

<p>I think that our bigger concern is Brown. Ok, I know our bigger concern will be Brown. He will need stellar ACT and SAT scores, and be able to explain his erratic grades! UGH! He has artistic talent, and it is highly probable RISD will think the same, but it isn't about statistics. </p>

<p>If you can think of anything else to add it is appreciated.</p>

<p>mmmom</p>

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<p>mmmom, go ahead and repeat your question in a new thread. Right now it's sort of buried under this thread topic, which has been sitting around for a while. I think you'll get more responses with a new thread.</p>

<p>If your main concern is Brown, you might also want to post a similar thread on the Brown board, since that is where people most familiar with that school would be.</p>

<p>Good luck to your son. The RISD+Brown program is really an incredible opportunity.</p>

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<p>Wow, I found out the replies so late... The advices are really helpful! Especially about LACs. Thank you so much:)
And I don't know why many people assume me as Japanese..but I'm Korean^^; So I have pretty hard time now struggling with Japanese...(If I can, I really want to take Korean subject test haha)
And my a sole purpose to take SAT1 and 2 again is for Brown. Cornell, CMU, and NYU didn't require SAT subject tests for fine art major. But I heard they require some math subject tests for design applicants... Anyway, nice over 750 subjects scores won't hurt my application...so I'll think positively.</p>

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<p>I had my doubt and now confirmed.
Now I have to ask, how are art schools in Korea?
I am Japanese and have a child HS junior here. I went through crazy admission process of art school in Tokyo. Some of my friends are trying to ship their kids back to Japan for college for various reasons however it still is crazy.</p>

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<p>I'm sure you're already aware of this, but the Brown/RISD program is VERY competitive. It's such an exciting program, though - I hope you (both) get in because it's such a cool opportunity.
Having said that, I applied last year with a 30 ACT score as well and a GPA of 3.8ish, and I didn't get into Brown (got into RISD though) ... and even if you get into both, I think you still have to undergo another admissions decision about the dual-degree program itself. I, too, was only interested in the dual-degree program and thus did not accept, but just be warned - it is extremely competitive.</p>

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<p>My kid, with very high stats, applied to the dual degree program and was only accepted at RISD. He decided to attend RISD and at the parent welcome this week they said there are 12 (only!) dual degree students in this first year of the program. It is extremely competitive!</p>

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<p>Urg.. Art schools of Korea are highly competitive too:(
Oh some of my classmates are going to apply art schools in Japan.. like Seika, Tama, and Musashino</p>

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<p>Do you have your art portfolio online anywhere?</p>