Chances for Indiana University- Bloomington?

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<p>jckund- "Indiana U is a better school than penn state, BU, uconn, and rochester"</p>

<p>Now that's a good one. I am not sure what rankings you are looking at, but they (usnews, etc..) would all disagree with you. IU is not a bad school, but let's not go drinking the hoosier Kool-Aid. There's a reason it's the worst ranked school in the Big Ten. It's also the lowest ranked school on your list. USNews.com:</a> America's Best Colleges 2008: National Universities: Top Schools. Just scroll until you hit the mid-70s.</p>

<p>Anyway, with a 3.2 gpa and an 1800....</p>

<p>IU- safety
Rochester - reach
UConn - IN/safety
NYU - High Reach
Boston U - IN (Not sure why people are thinking this is a tough place to get into, it's really not)
UMich - High Reach
Penn State University Park - Reach (you probably need at least a 3.5 OOS to have a good shot, but I would apply early and still try)(decision is 2/3 gpa)</p>

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<p>Hm, SAT II's are recommended for Rochester, I know. I'm not entirely sure about the others. Most schools that require SAT II's probably want to see two of em, but I'm not 100% sure. </p>

<p>You took AP Chem, why not try the chem one? Though you can't use a calculator for it. Or just go to collegeboard.com and try the practice questions for each subject. See what you do best on. I swear that CB makes the practice questions easier than the real ones, though, because I got all of the German ones right. The results on the actual test were less than satisfactory.</p>

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<p>^ I really wasn't good at chem lol had a horrible teacher and I forgot a lot of the stuff already</p>

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<p>Lol well...how are you with biology? I hate hate hate Subject Testing, too. Don't worry.</p>

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<p>^ T.T biology was probably my worst subject last year, but I looking at some of the sample questions, I didn't find it THAT hard. History I was pretty good at, but there are just TOO much for me to remember (I can't remember random small stuff lol). English, I'm worst at on normal sat, and I'm Asian so thats out of the question. Lol so am I screwed? Top 2 choices are Biology or Chinese. If I start studying biology, I'll be losing that time to study for SAT Reasoning (which I really want to get at least a 2000 in). Also most I'll probably get in biology is like a mid 600s. For Chinese I'm not too confident in getting a perfect score in, and also a 750 in Chinese < 600 in biology in terms of %ile! I desperately need help solving this dilemma. I'm only looking forward to taking another sat2 because I HAVE to not because I want to show off how good I am at those subjects (I'm not).</p>

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<p>If I were you, I'd just take both. It's only two hours. That way you'll be able to just pick the one you got a better score on. A 750 on Chinese would still look amazing. But since there pretty much isn't a curve on the language ones, it's very difficult to get unless you answer nearly all of the questions right. Try both, or even throw in US History for a third one (though three is pretty ugh). Even if you don't have time to study for them, just wing them. I don't know for sure, but logic tells me that good SATs are way,way more important than good SAT II's. </p>

<p>So yeah, I'd take at least two. You've got a good score on math already. A mediocre score shouldn't hurt too much.</p>

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<p>Peer assessment ratings:
Indiana U - 3.7
Boston U - 3.4
U Rochester - 3.4
U Connecticut - 3.2</p>

<p>NRC Rankings:
U Rochester - 5.89
Indiana U - 5.75
Boston U - 4.46
U Connecticut - 4.50</p>

<p>But if you want to recognize irrelevant factors such as "alumni giving rate" and continue to cite a biased US News ranking, go ahead.</p>

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<p>should get into Indiana. solid school.</p>

<p>Wouldnt say its better than BU or Rochester though regardless of what the so called "peers" say.</p>

<p>Much better than U Conn.</p>

<p>When discussing the business school though, IU is better than any of those schools u have mentioned. IU biz is extremely good but with ur stats I doubt u get into the business school. you will get into the general school (economics major etc..) and u can possibly transfer to biz from within.</p>

<p>Also consider Purdue. Business schools is really good too and town is quite similar to Bloomington (mayby slightly more desolate, not to say that Bloomington is an excting town).</p>

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<p>Don't compare West Lafayette to Bloomington. Bloomington is beautiful and one of the best college towns in the country. West Lafayette is industrial and ugly. The only similar feature they share are size and the fact that they both house the flagship publics. IU is a big party school with beautiful women. Purdue is the loser school (one national championship - Men's Golf in the 60s) with the ugly engineers.</p>

<p>Purdue</a> Videos - theU - Purdue: "The Setting"
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<p>Wow man, they really have you drinking the Hoosier Kool-Aid...Nobody is saying IU is a bad school. It's just the last school you should go to out of all the Big Ten schools, and it is the lowest ranked on his list. It has a good business school, but otherwise I'm not sure why someone would pass on Purdue for IU. </p>

<p>"But if you want to recognize irrelevant factors such as "alumni giving rate" and continue to cite a biased US News ranking, go ahead."</p>

<p>I am sure you would be saying something else if your school could actually get a high ranking.</p>

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<p>The last school out of the Big Ten? Every Big Ten school is outstanding. There isn't a bad one to attend. The Big Ten is the best athletic conference academically. Every Big Ten school is an AAU school, all but Purdue are considered "Public Ivies", all of them have a 3.5 peer assessment rating or higher, and all are recognized by the NRC in the top 54 (or 45, depending on what you look at) institutions in the country. There are only 23 public institutions in the country that are both recognized as a top university by the AAU and considered "Public Ivies", and the Big Ten has 9 of them. You attend the one that fits you the best and is the most affordable.</p>

<p>I'm not drinking any "kool-aid", I'm citing factual numbers representing the academic quality of the institution. You're citing a ranking where 75% of the criteria used to make the ranking is based upon factors irrelevant to the quality of teaching at the school. </p>

<p>Why would someone pass on Purdue for IU? IU ranks ahead of Purdue in Business, Journalism, Education, Music, Art History, English, Comparative Lit, German, Spanish, French, Linguistics, Philosophy, Biochem/Molecular Biology, Cell Biol, Ecol/Evol/Behav, Molec/Gen/Genetics, Physiology, Chemistry, Astrophys/Astron, Sociology, Psychology, Political Science, History, Geography, Economics, Anthropology, and likely many other areas. Purdue is better in Engineering and Math.</p>

<p>FWIW - Here are the peer assessment and NRC rankings for Indiana. They are not the "lowest ranked". I don't have time to explain to you how biased and irrelevant the US News rankings are towards private schools as well as schools with higher test scores, you can look through the countless 30+ page threads on CC debating the factors of USN to educate yourself. Let me just say that only 25% of the data actually measures the quality of the academics at the institution.</p>

<p>USN Peer Assessment:
Michigan - 4.5
Northwestern - 4.4
Wisconsin - 4.1
Illinois - 4.0
Penn State - 3.8
Purdue - 3.8
Indiana - 3.7
Minnesota - 3.7
Ohio State - 3.7
Iowa - 3.6
Michigan State - 3.5</p>

<p>NRC Rankings:
Michigan 7.24
Wisconsin 6.95
Illinois 6.70
Northwestern 6.63
Minnesota 6.41
Purdue 6.12
Penn State 5.94
Ohio State 5.79
Indiana 5.75
Iowa 5.38
Michigan State 5.33</p>

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<p>It should also be noted that US News and World Report puts out a ranking of just undergraduate business schools. Indiana ranked in the top 10 two years ago, and 18th this past year (but will undoubtedly be back in the top 12 this year based upon the factors USNW uses). Of the 14 undergraduate business majors they offer, they rank in the top 10 in 11 of them according to USNW--including 2nd in entrepreneurship, 4th in business law, 7th in finance, and 7th in management, etc. None of the other schools mentioned ranked higher in this survey than IU-B.</p>

<p>Also, Indiana University business department's faculty (undergraduate and graduate combined) was ranked #1 by Princeton Review last year. This is comparing them not only against schools like Penn State, Rochester, Purdue, Univ of Connecticut and Boston University, but also against schools like Stanford (who finished 2nd in this study) and Harvard (who finished 9th).</p>

<p>Business Week also puts out a ranking of business schools. In this ranking, Indiana Univ was 16th last year. The highest ranked of the schools you mentioned was Penn State at #38. Quite a difference, I'd say.</p>

<p>Jec7483 and gocanes, the discussion is about business schools. Thus, you need to know something about each school's business schools--and not just the general school if you want to argue your point. So far, the argument seems to be that if the overall school is higher ranked, then the business program is better--a completely invalid argument as anyone who has ever gone to Julliard for music or to Baylor for medical school or UC San Diego for neurobiology will attest. These three schools are much lower-ranked overall than many others, but in those fields--their programs are far superior to most schools with similar or even higher ranking on USNW's national universities' list.</p>

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<p>Haha, I can't believe you would cite a terrible ranking like business week. I guess we both have opinions of rankings, because everyone I have every spoken with considers business week's rankings a JOKE. Honestly, there's a reason that everyone cites USNews. It's the best. The overall rank of the school is important. As I had said, I know Indiana has a good business school, but the rest of the school is not that great. Its OVERALL reputation pulls it down.</p>

<p>"I don't have time to explain to you how biased and irrelevant the US News rankings are towards private schools as well as schools with higher test scores, you can look through the countless 30+ page threads on CC debating the factors of USN to educate yourself."</p>

<p>You know why you won't? It's because you can't. After the novel that was your last post, I think you are obviously more than willing to waste your time. The problem is that every ranking has bias, but USNews is the most respectable and accurate.</p>

<p>I agree that every school in the Big Ten is outstanding, but I just believe, and their lowest overall ranking of any school in the Big Ten in USNews University rankings seconds my belief, that it's the last place to choose in the Big Ten. It's definitely not an attack on IU, as I think you two are taking this personally, but rather an opinion that the overall view of the university should be taken into account when one is making their decision.</p>

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<p>Don't like the Business Week ranking? Why are you citing it is "terrible"? I'd like to hear reasons. A ranking that incorporates relevant information such as starting salaries, recruiter's opinions, student opinions, academic quality, feeding to MBA programs, teaching quality, and job placement is a lot more indicative of the quality of the schools than simply asking a bunch of people to rate the programs on a 1-5 scale.</p>

<p>Besides, I don't understand why you don't like it. Indiana is rated #11 in US News, but only #16 in Business Week. Being the Indiana-hater you have proven to be in the last few posts of this thread, you should be embracing any ranking that shows them to be low.</p>

<p>You've cited one piece of information (US News National Universities ranking) to claim that a school is the "worst" of it's kind. Then you've said nothing else, just "you're wrong, you're wrong, blah blah blah! US News FTW!" You're stating that Indiana has a poor overall reputation, but the peer assessment proves otherwise, the NRC rankings prove otherwise, the department rankings of each program proves otherwise. </p>

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<p>There's been articles written about how the US News doesn't accurately measure academic quality at institutions from numerous journals and publications. You're citing an opinion formed on the premise that the US News is the end-all-be-all of the academic quality of a school, and that's false.</p>

<p>Besides, the most important ranking is the rank of the department. For Business Week, IU ranks #16. For US News, IU ranks #11, even though they rank numerous departments in the top 10. If you know of another ranking you want to share, lets us know. The only other one I know of is the Gourman Report published in 1997, but if I post that I'll just be considered a biased homer because of Indiana's ranking (3rd overall), even though the ranking correlates strongly with the US News ranking.</p>

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<p>I never said that you're wrong, but it was implied. Plus, why would I cite other sources when the source that I cite is the most reliable and respected? Anyway, this is obviously like trying to convince someone about religion or abortion with you, so there's no real point. You have tunnel vision, which is understandable because you probably went there.</p>

<p>I mean, your data is so compelling, but I will make my feeble attempt at a counter. Referencing the two other big ten schools on the poster's list:</p>

<p>ONlY covering the Indiana university, since this is what I referenced as to to reason to pass on the business program, as a whole...</p>

<p><a href="http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2006/ARWU2006_Top100.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2006/ARWU2006_Top100.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Top 100 universities in the world:
PSU-42
Purdue-73
IU-97</p>

<p>Top</a> 100 Universities of the World</p>

<p>Top 100 universities in the world:
PSU-39
Purdue-75
IU-87</p>

<p>Top</a> 100 Universities: Top Universities Best Colleges Top 100 Colleges and Universities</p>

<p>Top 100 Universities in the world:
PSU-41
Purdue-73
IU-98</p>

<p>QS</a> Top Universities: Top 100 universities in the THE - QS World University Rankings 2007</p>

<p>PSU- 90
Purdue-77
IU- didn't make it</p>

<p>World</a> Universities' ranking on the Web: top 4000 World Ranking</p>

<p>Top 100 World Universities in the world:
PSU-5
Purdue-16
IU- 33</p>

<p>Lastly, USNews:</p>

<p>USNews.com:</a> America's Best Colleges 2008: National Universities: Top Schools</p>

<p>PSU-48
Purdue-64
IU-75</p>

<p>As you can see, I have referenced plenty of rankings, and while IU occasionally came close, NONE of them ever ranked IU above Purdue OR PSU. I would have listed more, but I thought that this was enough to support my point. Listen, I agree that you have a good business school, I just think the overall resources/reputation/ranking of the university make the business school less attractive. I am far from an Indiana hater, but I don't like when people lie to themselves. You are doing that when you are saying that IU is superior to Purdue, and no, I did not go to Purdue.</p>

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<p>Like I said early, I think you should not be citing overall statistics on the schools, but rather focusing just on the business schools.</p>

<p>What schools do you think are strongest at Indiana University that makes their ratings as high as they are?</p>

<p>The answer is that their three strongest schools are Music (about top 8 nationwide), Foreign Language (where they are ranked #1 by many surveys), and Business (where they are ranked in the top 11 to 16, depending upon the group doing the ranking).</p>

<p>What does Penn State rank highly in?
Geography #1, Psychology (top 10), Kinesiology, and Architectural Engineering (nowhere can you find anybody that ranks it in the top 30 for business schools).</p>

<p>What does Purdue rank highly in?
Mechanical Engineering, Civil Engineering, and Process Engineering (in the top 5 in all 3 categories per USNW). Now their business school does also rank fairly high at the graduate level (around the top 25), but nobody ranks it in the top 40 among undergraduate business schools. And only two of their department are ranked in the top 10 by USNW in the business rankings--which is quantitative methods (#2) and management overall (about #9).</p>

<p>What does Boston University rank highly in?
Communications, Biochemistry, Law, Philosophy, History, Pre-Med. Once again, their business school is not highly ranked. P.S. Don't confuse them with Boston College, which does have a good business school (top 15 or so).</p>

<p>In my view, and as I said earlier, once a student figures out that a high overall ranking has nothing to do with the individual departments (especially once they get past schools like Harvard, Stanford, Yale, etc.), the better off they will be.</p>

<p>P.S. Some other "minor" schools that are rank relatively low overall have great departments in certain areas. I already listed three of these above. Some others that come quickly to mind are: University of Missouri (top journalism program in the country), and Syracuse (one of the top political science programs and one of the top creative writing programs).</p>

<p>And yes, I will agree with you that many people can't get past the "prestige" factor (overall ranking or name recognition) in choosing their schools, but that's really too bad for them, because, as a result, they are missing the opportunity to be in much stronger programs for their major. For someone who doesn't know what they are going to major in, then I would suggest they take your advice--but that's not the OP's situation.</p>

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<p>Are you even looking at the sources of the rankings, or are you just googling "Top Universities" and deciding to only link up the rankings that have Purdue ahead of Indiana? Let me show you the methodology in these rankings:</p>

<p>Study Abroad rankings: "The ranking of these universities is done depending upon various factors and resources." - What? not legit.</p>

<p>Webometrics: "The original aim of the Ranking was to promote Web publication, not to rank institutions." - not legit. Did you even think it was, having Penn State as the #5 institution in the country?</p>

<p>The academic ranking of the world's universities: only has a 10% weight to the "quality of education", and that is measured solely on the "Alumni of an institution winning Nobel Prizes and Fields Medals". 10% is also given to the size of an institution, since we all know that bigger = better <em>rolls eyes</em> - not legit</p>

<p>ULinks: "evaluation of numerous factors, including reputation, competitiveness, admissions criteria, etc.". etc? They aren't even defining their criteria - not legit</p>

<p>Times: 10% of their weight to having more international students and faculty. 60% of their weight went to research. 10% went to employment, meaning only 20% of that ranking is geared towards academics, and they measure academics solely by student/faculty ratio which is an awful way to measure quality of academics - not legit</p>

<p>Those websites are as legitimate as a message board poster saying "here are the top schools". You've found rankings that in no way judge any type of academic quality a university, and city them to back up your claim that Purdue is better than IU. And rather than cite a reliable source, you're just claiming that I have "tunnel vision".</p>

<p>I never once said that IU was superior to Purdue. I mentioned several departments where IU ranked ahead of Purdue in response to the claim about "It has a good business school, but otherwise I'm not sure why someone would pass on Purdue for IU." Heck, I even posted peer assessment and NRC rankings that had Purdue ahead of IU. The schools are so similar in overall reputation that it's stupid to argue, especially considering that departmental reputation is what is really important in selecting a college. The OP has stated that Business is what they will be studying, and IU is a better school for business.</p>

<p>You didn't give an answer as to why you don't like Business Week, nor did you suggest a better ranking than it.</p>

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<p>IU is one of the best for business. get that sat up to above a 1950 if you can, and you can make it. for sure. </p>

<p>and chance me! <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/541438-chances-oxford-gt-wf-cmu-sc-etc.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/541438-chances-oxford-gt-wf-cmu-sc-etc.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>I was never only looking at the overall schools and I realized that the OP was interested in business and thus I said that IU biz is better than all the aforementioned schools. </p>

<p>However A2Wolves, I dont think its right to downplay Purdue as an inferior school to IU. Frankly Bloomington is nothing to show off (neither is West Lafayette). Overall Purdue is identical to Indiana. Both have top business schools (though Kelley has the edge over Kraenert). Purdue also has a top engineerng, agriculture, hotel tourism and sciences program, which IU lacks. as a person who has also lived abroad in several countries I can tell u that Purdue is often regarded as a top school in America with an excellent reputation around the world. most ppl outside of America dont see Indiana the same way. </p>

<p>To say that Purdue is a loser school is really immature and something I would expect from a baby not from a senior member with from what I can see lots of experience and knowledge on colleges. </p>

<p>I really have no biases over Purdue as I go to school in Florida. However I do have extensive knowledge and familiarity on these schools as both biz schools were high on my list 2 years ago and I visited both. I was impressed with both schools. Tremendous facilities and apparently great academics for schools of those sizes. Its funny though to see a Hoosier show off Bloomington over West Lafayette. In my opinion both towns were extremely boring, though yes I agree, West Lafayette is less attractive.</p>

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<p>I didn't downplay Purdue as an inferior school. Don't put words in my mouth. Did you even read my posts? I posted 2 rankings that had Purdue ahead of Indiana overall. I wrote that all the Big Ten schools were great. I even said "The schools are so similar in overall reputation that it's stupid to argue". Where's the downplay there?</p>

<p>You missed the joke on the sports and championships if you took it as a "baby" comment. </p>

<p>I don't need to talk about Bloomington, it has received so much attention by rankings and awards that speak for itself. If you can't look at both towns, the accolades (and lack of accolades) that each receive, then you just aren't rational. It is a MUCH better town than West Lafayette, anyone who has stepped foot in both towns would say that.</p>

<pre><code>* In 2004 Healthcare Traveler Magazine wrote, "nestled amongst the rolling hills of southern Indiana, Bloomington basks in the warmth of a community that takes pride in its quality of life. . . Recently named by USA Today as one of the country's top college towns, Bloomington proves that a small city with a big heart can have it all."
* Forbes.com ranked Bloomington 11th in the nation among the best small cities in which to do business in 2004. Forbes rates the cities in nine categories: advanced degrees; cost of doing business; cost of living; crime rate; culture and leisure; educational attainment; income growth; job growth and net migration.
* Men's Journal rated Bloomington number five on its list of The 50 Best (Healthiest, Safest, Sexiest) Places to Live in 2003. Bloomington was the top Midwestern city mentioned and also received the honor of being the Editor's Choice: ". . . the mix of youthful idealism, Hoosier unpretentiousness, and world-class sports and culture makes this a place where your opportunities are limited only by your time and interests - a place you can call home without giving up your soul."
* Bicycling Magazine ranked the Bloomington area as the seventh-best place in the country for cycling, while in 2000 The National Geographic Society’s Adventure Magazine ranked bicycling in Monroe and Lawrence counties as one of the 100 best adventures in the United States.
* The League of American Bicyclists named Bloomington one of only 13 bicycle-friendly communities in the nation in 2003. The communities were recognized for a "longstanding commitment to providing safe accommodation and facilities for bicyclists and for encouraging bicycle travel for both transportation and recreation."
* The 50 Healthiest Places to Live and Retire in the United States, a book by Norman D. Ford, ranked Bloomington 12th in the country. Ford cited Bloomington's low level of urban stress and ample sources of culture and social awareness. The area also is dedicated to fitness, nutrition and has lower than average costs of living and housing. The book describes Bloomington as a bike-friendly city with a highly articulate population located close to numerous state and federal recreation areas.
* In 2001, Travel & Leisure Magazine told its readers to " . . . look no further than Bloomington, Indiana. Its cobblestoned streets, limestone buildings and old-fashioned porches create a laid-back setting, while the outdoor markets and frequent concerts and lectures keep energy at a steady high….Bloomington has the soul of a big city but the heart of a small town . . . the cultural pulse of the Midwest."
* Sports Illustrated named Bloomington the 6th best college sports town. "A year ago The Princeton Review named Indiana the top party school in the country. When students aren't trying to live up to that lofty mantle, they spend plenty of time enjoying the beautiful campus and taking advantage of perhaps the nation's top recreational-sports program."
* Men's Journal named Bloomington the best college town. "The beauty of college towns is that they often have well-educated residents, a vibrant arts scene, affordable housing, and a cool commercial district. In winning its spot on MJ's Best Places to Live list, Bloomington shows off some of the finest examples of each, plus plenty of surrounding green space. "
* In 1991, Thomas Gaines, a landscape artist, published a book, The Campus As a Work of Art, and in it he named the Bloomington campus one of the five most beautiful campuses in America.
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