chances for umich (and others) for indian international student without financial aid

okay wow, i apparently dont know anything… but still i think it will be feasible, i have had friends get scholarship if they maintain good GPA, merit based.

but my main issue here is my class 11th marks and how to negate some of the effects it may have on my application as all my other year’s marks are decent but 11th is basically bs. i am good at math and physics but my 11th marks dont convey that. would giving and getting 5 in both physics AP’s be good enough? what else can i do?

“as for nyu, it really is not one of the best for physics ive heard” If you are thinking of pursuing physics, that means grad school, and usually a PhD. Top physics PhD programs expect applicants to have a very strong math background. NYU Courant is one of the top 10 math programs in the world. Some combination of an NYU Courant Math major and physics classes like QM, EM, SM and QFT set you up for a top physics PhD program.

Remember, it’s where you can get accepted, not just where you want to go, and as an international applicant with your grades you’re very unlikely to be accepted at Berkley, UMich, UCLA, etc. NYU, on the other hand, is more accommodating to full pay internationals.

The AP scores will help as will any US-based standardized test, they will show knowledge of subject material, which could offset lower grades. You can explain the 11th grade marks possibly by a class rank, if a 60% is actually good in your school in 11th grade, a rank from your secondary school could show that, if they provide one. Otherwise you’ll have to explain it without blaming anyone. Also it’s possible Michigan and the others colleges you’re applying will have a knowledge of the Indian system, I’ve been told that 60s and 70s are actually pretty good. But the advice to come here for grad school physics maybe the best one. Good luck!

I actually plan on doing both under grad and grad in the usa as i will have a green card in a couple of years. And as for my class 11th marks i feel much more confident now thanks to all of you. And i researched a bit and i think that NYU might be a good choice as well, as you mentioned, plus in the line of physics, your grad school matters much more than your undergrad. Thanks so much all of you, i am starting to really like this website!

Another thing, some of the other colleges on my list are uwash, u of wisconsin, ucsb, umd college park, uiuc. Would i have a decent chance at these?

I have heard its very tough to get into an engineering program, does the same apply for pure sciences?

And another problem is that all the best schools in india require a JEE standardized exam which not as standardized as people deem it to be. 1.5 million people give this exam to become engineers and only the first 10000 get into a decent college. And we cant even chiose our major, we are automatically assigned one on the basis of our JEE scores.out of those 1.5 million, only a 100,000 get jobs and the rest are left out. Most of my family’s men are engineers(sexism in education is a totally different thing in india) and all of them did not ever go into an engineering field ever. I have an actual interest in Physics but i dont want to end up like them, so i wish to go outside for further studies. Staying in india is not an option, and my family will move to usa anyways in 3 years

You may be better off considering the community college option in the US. Its much cheaper, and the credits can transfer to a 4 year university. If you get state residency, it will help for the final 2 years of your undergrad degree. There are plenty of colleges in the US that offer engineering degrees. Much easier than getting into engineering in India.

Earning enough to cover maybe 1/3 to 1/2 of your living expenses is possible, but earning enough to cover 100% is very unlikely.

Private colleges accept international students, perhaps even more than public schools, which are funded by taxpayers of that state for the benefit of students of that state.

All of the schools on your list can be reaches for STEM majors. Engineering is often harder to get into than physics. The schools you listed in post #24 accept a lot of students on the whole, but only accept 10% or so of applicants for engineering and computer science (and your stats are less competitive for those majors). Make sure you have a backup plan in your own country. A safety school in the US is likely to be one you’ve not yet heard of or one you’ve already passed over.