Chances of Me Getting into the Following Schools?

Hello,

I am currently applying for Phillips Andover (far reach, I know), Northfield Mount Hermon (my top choice), Groton School, Deerfield Academy, the WIlliston Northampton School, Milton Academy, and Hotchkiss.

My score on the ssat was 56%. This might of been due to the fact I had a really bad anxiety attack (which never happens) before the exam.

Despite this, I do very well academically. I usually get all Straight A’s and A+s as a trimester grade, and B+'s for my Honors English class. I am also in Challenge classes for Science and History. I advocate for Human Rights, and have a fairly large blog on social media for this. I am also a good swimmer and people say I’m a really good artist (I do drawings, usually portraits of people). I also play the piano quite well. Will the SSAT score be a major factor to this, even though I do well academically and in my extra-curricular activities? I had a very good interview at Andover and Northfield (the guy at Northfield said he could see me as a Dorm Leader too!). I am also writing a book that I am planning to get published if I get to my goal of 2 million reads on this online reading site called Wattpad. I am really really nervous and I would like some insight. Thank you so much!

I’m also mixed Chinese and Algerian but I don’t know if that hels

Your score will not work for most of these schools. It doesn’t matter why, that’s what you got. Your extracurriculars are nice but most applicants have similar extracurriculars. Your ethnic background doesn’t matter unless you are black or Hispanic.

My father is black and so is half of my Algerian side. I don’t know if that helps.

I also forgot to add I started a Social Justice club at my school and theres around 12 members and we work on educating the school.

If there is still time, you may want to add another school with SSAT median score closer to yours. There are some wonderful schools in Massachusetts with median SSATs of 65%. Several of these told us that a score within 10 points of the median would be ok if you have other things that make you a good candidate. And your social justice work sounds wonderful! The schools with 85% and higher SSATs may all be reaches, but good luck!!

I think you would be a great match at NMH (which you say is your favorite) and Williston based on your scores.

This caught my attention. @Center , why does it matter if an applicant is Black or Hispanic? How is it weighed - if this question makes sense?

Because blacks and Hispanics are prized minorities to boost diversity data.

I’d like to caution against repeating cynical notions about “prized minorities” and “boosting diversity data” when we are talking about teenagers. The black and Latino kids I teach are individuals with their own strengths, weaknesses, and interests. The value they add to our school is anything but skin deep. They are scholars, artists, athletes, community service devotees, good friends, hall proctors, club leaders–you name it. They come from a wide range of economic backgrounds. They are keenly aware that some other kids look at them and sneer that they are only in the school because of their ethnic background. I’ve overheard students whispering the “s/he’s only here because s/he’s black” more than once, and if they’re proud enough of that ugly sentiment to say it near a teacher (who then drops everything to say “whoa–not so fast!”) then it’s an ugly attitude that they are far too comfortable with.

The more anyone repeats it, prints it, and lets it go unchallenged, the harder the sledding is at these institutions for kids who have worked hard to get where they are and who care about school and friends and college. Having money, connections, athletic ability, or a less-common heritage can add to any applicant’s favor, but I’m in contact with waves of applicants every year, and ethnicity does not seem to offer any boost in the absence of other qualities a teenager needs to get into boarding school.

OP–your best chance is at NMH or Willston. Although kids occasionally get admitted with SSAT scores vastly lower that the published average, it’s extremely rare (especially at the most competitive schools). The good news is that you have a lot to be proud of with good grades in school and some activities that you really love. Good Luck!

Albion: it’s not a cynical notion, it is fact. Look at affirmative action policies that have been affecting college admissions for years. Private schools do it too. Diversity candidates are prized in academia and corporate America. Testing continues to get watered down because minority leaders rant and rail that they are discriminatory. The only diversity that truly matters is economic. Elite private schools desperate to appease detractors admit minorities and fill their catalogues with their pictures … Are they all equally qualified or more so than others? If not, it Doesn’t mean that it was a mistake to admit them but it’s a double, and lower, standard any way you look at it.

The reality is that being African American or Hispanic is a hook. We are trying to identify what her best assets are. Objectively she has none. But being African American, the normal stats do not apply. The same with being a celebrity or the son of the President of India.

I never thought I’d find myself posting on a “Chance Me” thread, but I’ll burst if I don’t weigh in here.

Putting aside the issue of affirmative action in school/college admissions–that is, putting aside whether groups that can’t get an even break in our society deserve a boost both for their benefit AND that of the majority (which clearly stands to benefit from having every group in our society do well)–there is still good reason, I believe for schools to have different criteria for different applicants.

Many children of black or Hispanic heritage grow up in homes where the advantages that many of us take for granted simply don’t exist. They might, for example, be living in dire poverty, which makes life difficult in so many ways. Maybe their parents have to work two jobs and are less available to read to them or to run through flashcards with them. Maybe their parents are unavailable to drive them to hockey lessons, or dance lessons, or music lessons–or they just don’t have the spare cash to pay for those things. Or perhaps their parents don’t speak English or are illiterate. There may not be any books in the house or any of the other things that can provide the sort of intellectual and cultural enrichment that contributes to doing well in school and on standardized tests.

Yet there is still reason to believe that there are many exceptional children within this demographic who, while they may not NOW have quite the same stats as more privileged children, are nonetheless truly exceptional and brimming with potential. I’m not talking about kids who wouldn’t survive academically at an elite boarding school. I’m talking, rather, about kids whose statistical profile may not quite match up with their more privileged classmates, but who may in various other ways be more than a match for their classmates. Maybe such children, by virtue of their background, have developed a grit and resiliency that would make them standouts in any group. Maybe they have other talents and aptitudes that make them exceptional and that point to their future success. Is it wrong for elite schools to ignore these outstanding children because in one narrow area–test scores, for example–they may not be at the very top of their class?

Talent comes in many guises and many packages. And when we look at conventional measure of success, sometimes it’s not the highest scoring tester who gets the best, highest paying job in every case, but rather the individual who has extraordinary social or interpersonal skills. Keep in mind, for example, that if it weren’t for the socially adept “rainmakers” at big law firms, the more academically gifted individuals who work in the back room would have no clients. And what of the dealmakers and CEOs who depend in large part on their social skills–their ability to understand and work with a broad range of people–to accomplish big things. Extraordinary social ability, or leadership ability, or “charisma,” for lack of better word, is a rare talent whose value in the real world should never be minimized. Such social intelligence–and it is just as much a form of intelligence as is the ability to do calculus–may well be the single most important attribute in just about any aspect of human endeavor.

So, if a school feels that it would be beneficial to its mission to accept individuals who might not have the top-most grades or test scores or the longest list of extracurriculars, then perhaps we should trust that they know more than we do and have valid reasons for doing so. Maybe schools are betting that such students will eventually raise their scores and put together impressive resumes, and that they just need the advantages that a boarding school community can offer to realize their full potential. Or maybe the school might believe that such children have had life experiences that truly make them special, and that the entire school community would benefit by having these children in the mix. Elite schools were never solely about one thing–academic performance–and they never will be. Selecting students solely for their scores and grades may be one way to put together a class, but I’m willing to believe that schools are on to something when they seem to suggest that it’s not necessarily the best way to do it.

@DonFefe, beautifully written. I want to add that, the biggest challenge impoverished children face might be money stress. It’s very hard to study, or anything at all, when your parents fight over unpaid rent. That’s also the biggest challenge their teachers have. It’s nearly impossible to motivate them for anything.

Thank you, @SculptorDad, for your kind words and helpful comments.

As I think you know based on my earlier speculations about financial aid, I harbor a bit of skepticism about all human institutions, elite boarding schools included. If we went only by their view books, we’d surely come away with the notion that each of them has created what amounts to a blissful (yet rigorous!) educational utopia. Yet, many of them, as we are finding out, have checkered pasts.

Nonetheless, I do believe that by and large each school strives to do its best within the context of its stated mission–which includes operating within real-world financial constraints, among other things. I’m sure schools will continue to think about and refine their policies regarding minority applicants. You may be surprised to hear that this issue is, in fact, a central theme of Shamus Rahman Khan’s book.

By the way, aren’t you the former “jwalche”? And I love the origami in your photo!

@DonFete, I completely agree! And yes I am. The new user name seems a common theme on this board. Making small origami is my daughter’s specialty!

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