<p>APs taken: Calc AB - 5, Psych - 5, Hist - 4, Calc BC - 4, Stat - 4, Eng - 3, Physics - 3</p>
<p>Also I have done this NASA SEAP summer internship 2 years now and have 2 unpublished yet scholarly documented research papers and I am going to get another engineering research paper published that I worked on with a university.</p>
<p>My extracirruculars are also extremely well</p>
<p>I know this is a lot of info but any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!</p>
<p>Baylor College of Medicine has two BS/BA/MD programs, one with Rice (15 students) and one with Baylor University (not affiliated with BCM). Rice/Baylor is the most selective of the non MCAT combined programs. First you have to be accepted to Rice--not easy. Then you can apply to the Rice/Baylor program. Every year about 2000 Rice applicants express an interest in Rice/Baylor. You can expect that about 300 of those will be accepted to Rice and will apply for the program. BCM will select 40 to interview and will offer acceptance to 20 to fill 15 spots. It does not help to apply ED because the invitation for interviews is made by BCM after reviewing apps from all admitted students who apply to the program.</p>
<p>I see very interesting...you mentioned baylor has 2 programs? Is the other program not Rice/Baylor easier to get into and how would I go about doing that? Thanks!</p>
<p>On the Rice/Baylor website FAQ it says "Students who apply to the Rice/Baylor program may not apply to any other Baylor sponsored Medical Scholars Program."</p>
<p>Does this mean that one cannot apply to both Baylor/Baylor and Rice/Baylor?</p>
<p>It is correct that you can only apply to one of the Baylor programs. One of my friends applied to the Baylor/Baylor and UTPA/Baylor, but she had to end up choosing which one of the programs she wanted to interview for.</p>
<p>what is the order of competitiveness of those programs and do each of those programs guarentee med school at Baylor? Also can someone give me the link to where I can find these programs? Thanks!</p>
<p>i don't know much about baylor (there's no way i'd go to school in texas haha), but i don't think you should be saying 'most selective.' Northwestern is extremely selective and is a much better undergraduate school than either baylor or rice. Pitt has historically taken 5-10 applicants to their guarantee program. You can't even apply for it either; if they are interested in your application, they will tell you. how's that for selective? Just because Baylor's medical school is ranked the highest among schools offering medical programs does not mean that it is the most selective.</p>
<p>Cash, out of curiosity, why would you not ever go to school in Texas?</p>
<p>Also, Rice and Northwestern are actually on similar levels of selectivity - according to Collegboard their average SAT scores are very similar (in fact, Rice is actually slightly higher).</p>
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<p>The Baylor/Baylor is harder to get into than the Rice/Baylor because it only accepts about 4-5 students per year. The Rice/Baylor accepts 10 or somewhere near there (correct me if I'm wrong). The UTPA/Baylor program accepts about 15. Yes, they all guarantee acceptance to Baylor's med school. In the UTPA/Baylor program, you DO have to take the MCAT, but it requires a much lower score than if you were applying to Baylor without being in the program. I think the Rice/Baylor and Baylor/Baylor both do not require the MCAT.</p>
<p>1) it's just a personal thing why i would not want to go to school in texas: i shouldn't have said 'ever,' because i'm sure i'd go if i got a full ride to this program we are talking about! anyway, i am unfortunately one of those people who can only equate texas with our glorious president...understood?</p>
<p>2) not to freak out any college-bound pre-meds, but the mcat is indeed a really big deal. it's not just another SAT or ACT. given that over 50% of underclassmen at most universities across the nation declare their tracks to be 'pre-med', it's not hype/lies when medical school adcoms say that it truly IS getting more and more competitive to gain acceptance into med school...ANYWHERE. it's not enough to get good grades (even a 3.7+ qpa) and be involved in every other club at university anymore. "The mcat really plays an integral role in setting the tone of an applicant." (NOTE: that's a quote from a member of a top 20 medical school admissions committee). i just hope that the mcat doesn't become what the lsat is equivalent to in law (4.0 gpa + poor/mediocre lsat = judge judy). </p>
<p>3) both northwestern and rice are excellent schools but i think most people would come to the conclusion that northwestern is more prestigious. maybe not in texas, but across the nation. also, you are incorrectly using SAT stats to compare NU and rice. northwestern (avg. ACT 29-33) has ~8000 undergrads while rice (avg. ACT 30-34) has ~3000. obviously, with a smaller-sized selective school, the SAT scores are going to be higher. given that NU has ~2.5x the amount of undergrads as does rice and still has the same standards tells you something.</p>
<p>4) it's taken me 3 long years to figure this out and believe me...it's the truth: In medicine, it doesn't matter whether you get your MD/DO (please don't try to get a DO, ppl patronize them here in the hospital setting) from Shawnee State (idk if they have a med school but that's beyond the point) or Stanford University. What matters is that you did. hard work anywhere pays off. it's hard enough to even gain acceptance at any medical school these days--let alone a program! so be happy, stress less, and count your blessings.</p>
<p>5) if you are interested in reading about how the history of medicine in the US, you really should read "Time to Heal" by Kenneth Ludmerer. It's dense, but it really is a must-read for any pre-med, med student.</p>
<p>wow that was a really long post, i need to go back to doing my work. afterall, it's what i'm getting paid for...</p>
<p>P.S.--my old boss works/runs hehe the baylor _____ hospital. NETWORK GUYS!</p>
<p>Of course the MCAT is important. But the type of kid who can get into this sort of program isn't the kind of kid who's going to have trouble with the MCAT.</p>
<p>Do you guys know if it will hurt you if you do biology related research with your own mom? I was planning on working on her research project and possibly get my named published on the abstract. Her boss will also be vouching for me that I did the research. Also in college applications, how do they actually know you did the research? Do you get a signed note or something like that? </p>
<p>Right but what if I don't get a recommendation letter? Can I send a signed note or certificate of my work in my supplemental info? Also again does it hurt to do research with your own mom?</p>
<p>If you got your name on a paper but no rec letter and you happened to be the child of a person in the same lab, that would be a huge red flag to me.</p>
<p>This is true it, may seem fishy. However, I am only going to be doing this research for 2 to 3 months. My mom's boss is actually in England and she is keeping him up to date on the status of the project. I really am helping out. It is just that colleges usually ask for 3 recs tops (correct me if I'm wrong) and I am getting one from my teacher, and a person I have worked with for 2 summers during an intership with the NASA SEAP program. And the last letter is from the guidance counselor so...</p>
<p>However, it is very possible that I could get a recommendation from him but I am not sure if he is priority. Should I get a rec from him? And also if I don't get a rec from him. To clear up the fishyness, is it possible to get a letter, document, or something signed by him (not a rec) that will validate what I the research I have done.</p>
<p>Again thanks everyone for keeping the thread going. This is basically just a bunch of questions I have that I need cleared up. Thanks!</p>
<p>Research is almost always better than no research, but it would have been vastly preferable had your immediate supervisor been somebody else -- even the next bench over.</p>
<p>Yes I know, but that is not the case with me, I am working with my mom and her boss. So, my question is whether I can get some sort of written letter or a document (not a rec) that would verify the research I did if I did not get my name published. Otherwise how would colleges know that I worked on the research?</p>
<p>I think the recommendation letters ought to be from your teachers in either 10th or 11th grades.</p>
<p>Make sure you read up the requirements on-line for each school because they do vary somewhat school to school and also within each school from year to year. I recall that BU requires that one of the recomms be from a humanities teacher and the others could be from your school's Science teachers. So, I am not sure which schools would accept recomms from a research mentor for BS/MD programs out of high school.</p>
<p>I agree that research is a plus no matter who your mentor was. In 2007 NJSF competitions, I have seen someone who won a top honor despite having done her medical research through parental network. Didn't go against her in terms of getting the top honor nor on her resume I would think. But wouldn't stretch the advantage into recomms though...</p>
<p>Also wrt Baylor, you may want to find out more details from their Rice thread/or current students as to the % of students that are in-staters. I think a significant proportion tend to be in-staters at most schools. If yes, then it narrows down the number of spots available for out-of-staters. This works in your advantage in your own state, not only in terms of procuring a seat but also to get full scholarship but goes against you out-of-state.</p>
<p>I agree with Cash88. If you are from northeastern or midwestern or western states, it' not a great move to go to TX for higher education. Not the best place to spend 7-8 years at all.</p>