CHANCES Please for a URM!!!

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<p>Here are my stats:</p>

<p>School: Public (in CA) Hardly ever sends out kids to great schools
GPA: 3.923 (THIS IS A WEIGHTED GPA, OUR VALEDICTORIAN HAS A 4.22)
Class Rank: 7/351 (Top 2%)
Ethnicity: Mexican American (Chicano)
Gender: Male</p>

<p>SAT I: 1700 (600 writing, 580 math, 520 critical reading) (very poor i know!!!) I took them again yesterday for the third and final time.</p>

<p>SAT II: Spanish 690 (very poor as well, but I am fluent, just a horrible test taker)</p>

<p>AP Courses offered at our high school: Spanish, French, Calculus AB, Eng. Language, Eng. Literature, and Biology.</p>

<p>AP Courses that I have taken/will take:
11th: English Literature, Biology
12th: French, English Literature</p>

<p>***I will be the only student in my class to take all of the AP tests offered at our school.</p>

<p>College Credit Classes taken/taking at community college so far:
Gen. Psychology: grade~ A
Trigonometry: grade~ A
Intro to Sociology: grade ~ A
Calculus: grade ~ in progress
American Minority Groups: grade ~ in progress</p>

<p>EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES:
AVID 9th, 10th, 11th1 12th
-2004-05 Freshman President
-2005-06 Executive Council Member
-2006 Delegate at Regional Leadership Conference
-2006 Student Spirit Award
-2006-07 President
-2007 Student Inspiration Award
-2007 AVID Student of the Year Award
-2007 Overnight Trip Committee Chair</p>

<p>STUDENTS FOR CULTURAL ENRICHMENT 10th, 11th
-2006-07 President</p>

<p>A.C.C.E.P.T. (Academic, Community, & Cultural Enrichment Program for Triumph) 11th, 12th
-Founder/Creator
-2007-08 Chairperson</p>

<p>KEY CLUB 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th
-Over 250 Hours of Community Service in just Key Club alone.</p>

<p>ASB 11th , 12th
-2007-08 Student Rep. to the School Board
-Master of Ceremonies at 2007 Youth Night in the Park
-CADA Leadership Conference</p>

<p>CALIFORNIA SCHOLARSHIP FEDERATION 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th
-Life Member
-2005-06 Vice-President</p>

<p>Mu Alpha THeta 11th, 12th
-Member
-2006-07 President</p>

<p>M.E.Ch.A. 11th, 12th
-2006 Delegate at UC Davis Chicano Youth State Conference
-2007 Delegate at Cal Poly Chicano Youth State Conference
-2007 Delegate at BizTalk with ex-Presidente Vicente Fox of Mexico</p>

<p>CAMP ROYAL Summer 2007
-One of two delegates from Dinuba High School</p>

<p>LINK CREW 11th, 12th
-Link Crew Leader for Freshmen Students</p>

<p>HISPANIC YOUTH SYMPOSIUM Summer 2007
-Delegate from Dinuba High School
-Youth Venture Issues to Action Finalist
-Earned one college unit</p>

<p>CHURCH ALTAR SERVER AND LECTOR 9th, 10th, 11th
-2004-06 Group Captain
-2005 Diocese of Fresno's Serra Club Award
-Youngest and only teen Church Lector</p>

<p>WORK EXPERIENCE:
Tutor for Third Grader
-September 2006 ~ June 2007
-8 hours/week</p>

<p>Tutor for Fourth Grader
-June 2007 ~ August 2007
-4 hours/week</p>

<p>Tutor for Fifth Grader
-June 2007 ~ August 2007
-4 hours/week</p>

<p>DISTINCTIONS/HONORS: (not anything too special)
-2005 Academic Letter
-2005 Green Chevron
-2007 Top Ten Class Rank Award
-2006, 2006, 2007, 2007, 4.0 GPA White Chevrons
-2007-08 Student Council Letter
-DAR (Daughters of American Revolution) Dinuba High School Nominee</p>

<p>I AM VERY FOND OF THE SOCIAL SCIENCES AND WOULD LIKE TO MAJOR IN THEM. I COME FROM A PREDOMINATELY LATINO COMMUNITY IN THE CENTRAL VALLEY IN CALIFORNIA WHERE MOST OF THE STUDENTS DROP OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL AND DO NOT ATTEND A FOUR YEAR UNIVERSITY. MY FUTURE ASPIRATION IS TO TARGET COMMUNITIES SUCH AS MINE, AND HELP MORE AND MORE STUDENTS BE AWARE OF COLLEGE AND THE BENEFITS OF LEARNING etc...</p>

<p>So what do you think??? Do I have a chance???</p>

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<p>You say that GPA is weighted.
What is your unweighted GPA?
I think that would provide a better judgment call.</p>

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<p>i hope your SAT went well saturday. you shoulda tried the ACT, some people do better on that. pero, tienes que sacar dos mas subject tests i think...vas a sacarlos en enero? you still have time. but if you can't it says "If you cannot meet these testing requirements, please contact the Admission Office as soon as possible."</p>

<p>otherwise, your rank is great and i think it looks really good that you took all those college classes and got A's. it shows you can handle college work.</p>

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<p>I would disagree with Semper. High GPA/rank coupled with low test scores usually means that the applicant comes from a crappy school. IMO, if you get a 2100+ you have a legitimate chance. Until then, well...</p>

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<p>you need better test scores to have a chance</p>

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<p>ooh ooh ooh URM</p>

<p>You need better scores</p>

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<p>I know 2 URM's (African American) with SAT I's of 1890 and 2160, and one or two SAT II's in the 700's. One goes to a high school ranked 58th in usnwr rankings, the other goes to a private HS that is even better. Both have an athletic hook. Also, I have seen URM's on CC who claim to be at the regular targets for SAT I, II, plus grades and at good schools. If you are compared to them it is not so good. </p>

<p>However, what is unknown is how the university deals with allocating URM slots. From that perspective you may be fine. In the end you are in the same boat as everyone else, you will have to just sweat it out. Take the Jan test and try to improve.</p>

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<p>my HS is top 60 on that list and it's 50% "ooh ooh URM," so I know plenty of Blacks and Latinos with SAT scores above 2100. I myself am a URM with a 2200, but I really don't think it's so simple as "allocating URM slots" to the colored kids with the highest scores. I know plenty of Black kids who have gotten rejected from top schools with 2200's and an equal number who have gotten accepted with 1900's. Last year, three of my Black friends got rejected from Yale and they all had above 2100, while another got into Princeton with an 1800. The original poster may have lower test scores, but often I think a URM with a 3.9 and 1700 from a very impoverished community is more impressive than a wealthy 2100 URM. What's more, he retook the test Saturday.
People on this board tend to think URM cases are the simplest to predict; when really, I think it's quite the opposite. There are so many unique factors that affect a minority student's application that I'd venture to guess it's even less of a numbers game. At the very least, it's certainly not more of one as I think you guys are making it out to be.
Just...best of luck gman.</p>

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<p>Fluent and spanish but 690 on spanish sat II.
Even if you are a poor test taker. I just don't get it.</p>

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<p>I also received the same score my senior year on the SAT II spanish and I am also fluent. My AP Span Lang was a 5 but it makes no sense. I say your test scores are holding you back a little bit. I had an 1890 (man why do i remember this stuff) but i'm in college now. (A pretty good one by today's standards) Your stats kinda resemble mine (except you do more). Finally, two of the most important parts of the application. The essay and interviews. Thats basically what got me in.</p>

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<p>^the op got in ea to stanford, if you can believe that</p>

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<p>Stanford's ok i guess, if u like underachieving</p>

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<p>lol, yeah stanford is full of slackers. apaprently their projected acceptance rate is 5% this year. damnit.</p>

<p>and yeah im shocked about the spanish SATII thing. I guess I am pretty fluent in Spanish as a second language but I got an 800 on the SATII and a 5 on the AP exam</p>

<p>anyway though, i would not count on princeton to be honest. although test scores arent everything, yours are extremely low for the school. I dont mean to be rude, but its better to be realistic about the whole process</p>

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<p>P.S. did you honestly get into stanford? i find that extremely hard to believe. my friend was rejected having been the valedictorian of my high school (which is extremely competitive), gotten a 2400 on his SATs, taken 11 APs (and having gotten 5s on all the tests he had taken), being the president of 4 prominent clubs, and being enrolled in the columbia science honors program, among MANY other qualifications. it doesnt seem fair that you would get in over someone like him</p>

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<p>ya i was rejected from stanford too and my stats are WAYY better than yours. not to sound mean, but its not fair that you would get in over me and kovax14's friend</p>

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<p>check his posts, it's true</p>

<p>but whatev :/</p>

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<p>just because his post seems genuine on the stanford forum doenst mean anything. I posted on the dartmouth forum that i was accepted as a joke and just made up all of these stats because i was bored. honestly, schools like stanford and princeton do consider affirmative action students, but i can almost guarantee that there are many students significantly more qualified than yourself in the same ethnic bracket. i mean a 1700 is so low that getting into ANY school in the top 50 a challenge</p>

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<p>princeton's SAT bracket: Princeton</a> University | Admission Statistics</p>

<p>this clearly shows that SATs ARE important</p>

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<p>What is you're parent's income bracket, because mere ethnicity wont hook you up</p>

<p>PS: I believe you, but if you're stats are falsified, you deserve to go to a community college for angering other CCers</p>

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<p>"You deserve to go to a community college for angering other CCers"</p>

<p>^This is comic gold^</p>

<p>I don't know, the first thing that caught my eye was "chicano," and the first thought that raced into my mind was "WELCOME ABOARD!"</p>

<p>I love "diversity" :3</p>