<p>It’s even more important for those state schools to get extra money out of OOS students. Even the top OOS schools admit this openly.</p>
<p>I think the rules are much tougher now than they were in years past, because many parents and/or students learned how to game the system.</p>
<p>About 30% of Michigan students are OOS, so they do attract students from all over. That’s a bigger percent than many other good flagships. And as JHS says, they do offer merit scholarships for really strong students.</p>
<p>I would be interested to hear from those in the know about Penn State’s residency requirements. I have read up on them from their website , but a relative is planning on trying to pretend she lives there ( encouraged by her mother ) I think they are going to try the angle of emancipation . I don’t think it’s going to work…I would imagine this is a daily occurrence there</p>
<p>Students claiming to be independent may be asked to prove that they have sufficient funds to support themselves.</p>
<p>Re: Penn State and in-state residency</p>
<p>[University</a> Bulletin: Undergraduate Degree Programs: General Information](<a href=“http://bulletins.psu.edu/undergrad/generalinformation/Tuition2]University”>http://bulletins.psu.edu/undergrad/generalinformation/Tuition2)</p>
<p>But be aware that Penn State gives poor financial aid even to in-state students, based on what its net price calculator estimates.</p>
<p>As a Pennsylvania State resident who has paid taxes here for 20 years, I strenuously dislike the idea of anyone trying to game the system in my state. Morally, it’s just not right.</p>
<p>Emancipation is not a financial aid trick. It requires a judge- and depending on what the claim is (i.e. alleged abuse, neglect, etc) my involve the courts appointing a guardian for the minor to protect his or her interest. It has tax consequences for the parent, and the parent may need to hire his/her own lawyer (which the courts will not pay for unless the family qualifies for Legal Aid or some other program to help the indigent.)</p>
<p>I am not a lawyer, but a friend of mine practices family law and has been appointed Guardian ad Litem for minors who are seeking emancipation. Judges are not stupid (justice may be blind, but judges are not stupid) and the situation you describe has the makings of either farce or tragedy.</p>
<p>Emancipation is not an angle. It is legal recourse offered to teenagers growing up in horrific circumstances. The taxpayers of Pennsylvania have no doubt figured out this “angle” years ago.</p>
<p>Be pretty tough to fake PA residency for Penn State if the student wants any kind of federal loans. Until the student is 24, married, or has a baby she will have to report her parents’ income, and their state of residency will be considered her state of residency.</p>
<p>…or a veteran of the armed forces, I think. Not that you can just accomplish that on a whim, of course.</p>
<p>Emancipation isn’t even relevant for someone over 18. Everyone over 18 who is not under some mental disability is “emancipated” from a legal standpoint. University tuition rules (as shaped by state law) treat parents as financially responsible for their adult children even though they are no longer financially responsible from a legal standpoint.</p>
<p>Universities will sometimes grant exceptions to requirements in this regard, as when one parent has not had contact with the child in 15 years, has provided no support during that time, and can’t be located, or if located refuses to provide any information about his or her finances. It is very, very hard to prove this – you had better have a thick file of correspondence with lawyers and the state welfare agency.</p>
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<p>thumper, I looked up that term when I began reading about it here at CC.</p>
<p>From Wikipedia:
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<p>The original eight Public Ivies</p>
<p>The original eight Public Ivies as they were listed by Moll in 1985:[2]</p>
<pre><code>College of William & Mary (Williamsburg, Virginia)
Miami University (Oxford, Ohio)
University of California (campuses as of 1985)[6]
University of Michigan (Ann Arbor)
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
University of Texas at Austin
University of Vermont (Burlington)
University of Virginia (Charlottesville)
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<p>Perhaps a different meaning of “public Ivy” would be those parts of Cornell which have some relation to the state of New York (agriculture and life sciences, human biology, industrial and labor relations, veterinary medicine)?</p>
<p>" As a Pennsylvania State resident who has paid taxes here for 20 years, I strenuously dislike the idea of anyone trying to game the system in my state. Morally, it’s just not right. " </p>
<p>Completely agree with you ! I think the message being sent is a dishonest one.</p>
<p>Also, the mother has spoken to a lawyer who claims they will pursue it and try to force the school to comply… I don’t see this as a winning scenario.</p>
<p>And also if there needs to be proof of no financial support of one of the parents, that isn’t going to happen.
This student isn’t a new student. She was enrolled and took a leave of absence since she wasn’t able to either pay or handle the academics. Seems like energy would be better spent on finding a less expensive, less vigorous school.</p>
<p>For general readers of this thread, in some states (CA) different schools have different requirements, UC, CSU, CC, be sure to get the forms from the ultimate school and talk to people there, before assuming that becoming a resident for a community college will work for a UC transfer</p>
<p>Timely thread. Had dinner with friends recently who were talking about a couple who is “making” their daughter become a resident of Colorado so she can get in-state tuition. She is currently a sophomore at a state university there (matriculated as OOS student fall 2011) and the couple is convinced that this will work. She apparently now has her CO drivers license and stayed there last summer to work. </p>
<p>Perhaps it is doable in CO but after reading this thread, it seems they may be in for a rude awakening.</p>
<p>A lawyer? And what is he going to say “gee school, we KNOW this kid doesn’t comply with your residency requirements…but”.</p>
<p>Maybe the lawyer money would better be spent on college tuition.</p>
<p>Maybe we should just encourage our kids to have a baby, in order to be considered “independent.” :)</p>
<p>I’d love to know what the in state tuition and financial aide-gamers think about others who game the system for other types of government assistance. I’m sure many are quick to condemn medicare and medicaid fraud and government assistance in general, but don’t hesitant to do whatever it takes to qualify for education welfare.</p>