<p>Ok here is the deal, my friend he is applying to PEA and PA (high school), and he is lieing about his Extracirrcular. He did soccer for one year but he is saying he did it for 3, and that he football and track (our school doesn't offer so he is saying he did it travel team).....and he has like 4 clubs but he says he is going to add a year to each for experience...I think he is stupid for doing that and if he gets caught he is not going to get into school.....Do you think that he is going to get caught???? I don't want him to but he is lieing.</p>
<p>Morons like that will never get anywhere in life (unless they learn, of course)… If he doesn’t get caught now he will get caught plagiarizing a report or something…</p>
<p>Tell him clearly that what he is doing is wrong, and immoral by many people’s standards. To be honest if he lies so blatantly (it is beyond an embellishment) I highly doubt his overall profile is strong enough to compete with those who get into schools such as PEA and PA. </p>
<p>There are many flaws which boarding schools will understand and try to help, lying is not one of them. </p>
<p>Chances are he won’t get caught, until (IF, which I doubt) he gets in. IF that does happen and the coaches notice he is pathetic at the sport they will get suspicious. Of course not enough to expel him, but he would certainly not have the credibility that most students have.</p>
<p>Make sure this kid doesn’t plagiarize his essay too.</p>
<p>A kid like that will eventually get caught and if the admissions somehow finds out ( 
) then he could be in some serious trouble. I hope he doesn’t get in and I am applying for those 2 schools and I don’t want someone like that around me.</p>
<p>Exactly. However, the truth remains that a portion of the kids who get in DO get in like this. Admissions does not have the time to audit every kid who applies. However, they are good at telling who is ********ting what after all that time.</p>
<p>the fact of the matter is that he wouldn’t playgerise but I guess he really wants to go there…in my opinion he shouldn’t make up the EC, stick with the ones he got but everyone emblishes my friend she emblished (little things added a year to her EC and stuff like that) and she got in and they didn’t catch that. I am trying to talk him out of it but ultimately it remains his decision…I don’t know why he should lie…he is super smart his grades were all A+'s and his recommendations will probably be great. Why do you think he can’t get in? How would they know he is lieing? (be brutual if neccesary I’m showing him this post…he deserves to know what is coming at him)</p>
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[…]but everyone embellishes<a href=“fixed%20your%20spelling”>…</a>
No, they don’t. Plenty of people get in with exactly what they have written. They sell themselves, but they do not lie or embellish. </p>
<p>Who cares if he has A+s and all. Exeter will get thousands of kids like him, and even though he’s great they would choose the guy who is more honest. </p>
<p>It does not remain his decision… It ****es me off like no other when people do this and then justify their wrongdoings. </p>
<p>P.S. PLEASE fix your spelling, it really is bothering me. No offense, a little misspelling is fine but your posts are way off the mark.</p>
<p>Sorry about the spellings. I was in a rush. I am not trying to justify his wrongdoings. I don’t agree with his method of win at all cost. It is morally wrong I agree with that. I’m not saying he is an awesome guy or whatever but a lot of people that I know that go there embellished a little. He’s just plain stupid for embellishing that much.</p>
<p>AGAIN HOW WOULD THEY KNOW HE LIED??? He keeps asking me this and I have no answer to it because I don’t go a private school and I am not planning to and I don’t know a lot about admission.</p>
<p>Someone who thinks like that won’t take any rational answer. I guess he learns his morals from my dear George Bush. He will learn the hard way. He won’t ever learn to think for himself and I can’t imagine what a wreck he will be there.</p>
<p>How would they know? Because chances are in an interview when they ask about it he will sound like an illiterate moron (not saying that he isn’t one in real life, because he probably is)…</p>
<p>Um ok thanks for being completely a rude jerk. Just so you know dear George Bush went to Andover and how can you be so judgmental? You are exactly like him, both of you don’t have moral standards. I’m only defending him not only because you are an arrogant ass but also because you just made fun of my moral standards which are way higher than yours.</p>
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Please do not desecrate the school anymore. Daddy got him into there. And guess what he made of it? Drunk, drunk, and more drunk. </p>
<p>I really don’t care what you think of my moral standards (I would be lying if I told you I did, because I care about those close to me and you are just some kid on the net) but the fact remains he is a complete idiot to so blatantly lie like that. </p>
<p>I honestly don’t care, my moral standards (or lack thereof?) have gotten me a good set of friends which I like, and acceptances from schools and blah blah blah. You can defend him all you want, doesn’t make his action correct. </p>
<p>In my experience with flawed individuals (myself being one of them, aren’t we all) the least malleable and most ridiculous are cowards and liars. I am not saying that he can’tt change, but the way you defend him, it doesn’t seem likely. </p>
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Firstly, calling me an ass doesn’t really make you some priest. Secondly, what the hell do you know about me? Other than the fact that I (rightfully) hate liars. Ask anyone on this board, lying will get you no where… Other than a deep hole filled with a lot of *<strong><em>, and a lot more *</em></strong>heads.</p>
<p>I understand that one feels the need (and should feel the need) to defend his or her friend. However, you need to understand at which point an action must be reversed, not justified. I support the USA in its entirety, however I am not going to support our action to invade Iraq, because it truly was the wrong step to take.</p>
<p>Maybe George Bush did only get into Andover and Yale because of his dad and he may have been a horrible president but to even become a president you have to have some leadership qualities which he probably does. Exactly what the hell do you know about me or my friend? YOU DON’T. I SAID HIS ACTIONS ARE WRONG…didn’t I like three billion times. You can call him a liar but you cannot call him an illiterate moron without even knowing him that is judgmental and wrong. You cannot also that he is going to get nowhere. It is people like you that are racist and prejudice and make society even worse.</p>
<p>Yeah, it takes leadership to be attain a presidency. I never doubted that, and if you knew english (aka comprehend what I wrote) you would understand that.</p>
<p>My point is that people who are flawed like your friend here usually don’t get out of their hole. Lying is like nicotine, once you get hooked it’s hard as hell to come out. Trust me, I’ve seen it. </p>
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I haven’t a damn what that means… Maybe you are the illiterate one. </p>
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Do you even KNOW english? Your posts make me think otherwise… You misspell many words, your grammar is… well… Beyond that you call me racist, what the hell did I do that was racist. </p>
<p>I was critical upon a quality which is morally wrong, that does not make me racist. Look, I honestly don’t care. Just tell him that there’s no such thing as a free lunch. If he gets in because of his lies it’s gonna bite him in the ass, and hard. Most importantly if you lie and get in your academic and social caliber will be so much lower than that of your peers at the school that your life in the school will really suck. </p>
<p>Take it as you will. I am not saying he is beyond redemption, but if his own friends defend him like this, then he is. You need to be critical upon him, you are behooved to do so as someone who claims himself as “friend”.</p>
<p>Before you come back fix you english a bit (at least make your insults at me make a little sense), please.</p>
<p>Um ok thanks for the illiterate comment. I am dumb and stupid, are you happy now. I made a mistake SORRY. Again and again I don’t agree with him and I already told him that it was wrong and he doesn’t care. If you think that I am going to help him by telling the admission officers that he is lying, then you are very wrong. If you still want me to help him then I have no other idea how to, sorry and also sorry for the racist comment, I got angry but I will not take back the comment on being judgmental.</p>
<p>I never said (though I may have implied, from your posts) that you were dumb. Regardless, I can tell you how to help your friend (or try to) but you can’t call me judgmental. I am basing my opinion purely on my own experience (or lack thereof). </p>
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<li><p>Chances are he will do it anyway, even if he tells you he won’t… If you cannot accept this then do not even go on with the endeavor of helping him. In the end he sends the apps in, directly, not through a proxy (you). He can do whatever the hell he wants and still lie to you. I am not saying he will do it, but if you cannot accept that odds are he will it is pointless for you to continue.</p></li>
<li><p>“Every action has an equal and opposite reaction”. “What goes around comes around”. Whatever saying you want to apply… It’s gonna bite him in the ass much harder next time, with an ordeal worse than getting rejected to high schools. </p></li>
<li><p>Tell him to ask himself if he thinks what he is doing is right, chances are he will say no (but still do it anyway).</p></li>
<li><p>Finally tell him that you think (you seem to) that he can get in without lying (I honestly don’t think that, sorry… you do, though, and that’s what counts) and he would feel much better (he would, trust me).</p></li>
<li><p>Just hope for the best.</p></li>
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<p>Why don’t you think he could get in? He gets awesome grades, great recommendations, his essay was pretty good, and he does 4 clubs and community service. I think if he was himself he could get in. I won’t help him with his apps but I will still be his friend.</p>
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The fact remains that he is not himself. The schools that he has his eye on has thousands of kids with grades like he does, being dishonest is certainly not something they would want.</p>
<p>If they figured out that he was lying they would not even give him a second chance. Don’t even ask how they would know.</p>
<p>Well, you have to remember, helpme13, that there are hundreds of other applicants who have the same - or even better - stats as your friend. The decision the admissions committee makes doesn’t solely depend on grades, recommendations or essays. They are looking for someone different, someone who stands out (in a good way).</p>
<p>Yeah I know, I’m trying to convince him not to do it. I just don’t him to get in because he lied and then get kicked out because he lied. How would they know? Would they contact coaches? Look him up on google? Call the school? I really don’t know any other way and the sad thing is his parents know and they say that its okay sometimes you need to lie to get where you want or something close to that.</p>