<p>^^^</p>
<p>IMO the OP has learned his mistake (read: 1st post). And he actually asked for no more sarcastic comments. Like yours. </p>
<p>If you don't want to help him out that's fine, but do you really need to go about and put him down? People mess up all the time -yes even lawyers, doctors, and (oh my!) students -gasp!</p>
<p>I agree galoisien. People who don't cheat don't do things that make them look like cheaters. They don't bring their cell phones to an AP test. And if they accidentally bring it, they don't answer it if it rings. And if they absentmindedly answer it, they don't text message test answers to their friends! I kind of feel sorry for the OP, but also kind of don't. Maybe he never cheated before, but maybe he just finally got caught.</p>
<p>I know the kid that this is about and its all our schools fault. They have no idea of (or they disregard) the testing procedures. They don't take our cell phones. They don't make us face the same direction. Even this year, we started an afternoon test at like 1:20 and the proctor made us bubble in 12:00. Also, we have one proctor no matter how many students there are. Our school condones it, but then screws us over. Tybballer didn't even get caught, someone ratted him out. Our school is gay.</p>
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<p>wow you're a complete dbag. this person is clearly sorry for what he/she did, and was not the primary instigator. This person's 4 years of HS work should NOT be ruined by one mistake. Lighten the **** up</p>
<p>and after reading the entire thread, i just want to say make sure you cancel your scores. Basically, you want CB to have as little contact with penn as possible. Do NOT have your scores sent to penn. Or, at least cancel the stats exam if you can. If they find out, then it's a stickier situation, in whcih case I would immediately write a letter of explanation to Penn</p>
<p>"I don't know if you will get rescinded, but I hope you do"</p>
<p>I'm actually going to agree with you on this one. Can we think for one second if he had submitted his application with a little note that he cheated on an AP exam? I highly doubt that his application would have been seriously considered, as there are so many students who are equally as deserving of a spot at penn, and they shouldn't throw away their 4 years of hard work to be denied admission because someone with serious problems with academic integrity is taking their spot.</p>
<p>On the other side, there is a published list of colleges that still have space in their frosh classes available online, I'm sure you can find it if you search for it. If you do get rescinded, you aren't necessarily doomed to your local CC, for lesser schools they will likely overlook the AP issue in lieu of your stellar stats that got you into penn in the first place.</p>
<p>I agree with Cory123, if you can cancel your scores, assuming the CB hasn't made contact w/Penn/other schools, do so, ASAP. I'm not sure what the window for score canceling is; I know for the SAT it is only a few days after one takes the test and before one receives the results... Hurry! By canceling the score report you may end up canceling all your AP results, especially if you took multiple exams, but as you are already admitted to Penn, your greatest loss would be a couple of 5s which might've allowed you to place out of 101s, a loss that is much less costly than being rescinded.</p>
<p>As for what Slim2None said, I also must agree. People on this thread having expressed sentiments to the effect of disbelief over the idea that one could be rescinded for cheating but looked at a different way, had you been at the other end of the process, applying, with this on your record, you'd be in hot water... It really sucks that you weren't even the beneficiary of the cheating, though, as another said and I suppose is correct, enabling is no better than benefiting from academic dishonesty... I really hope your singular poor decision doesn't result in the revocation of your admission; unlike the authors of certain other threads found on CC, you seem to feel remorse for having cheated. It's a mistake you won't make again.</p>
<p>Why is everyone being so condemnatory toward the OP? I have a friend from HS who got caught "cheating" for the first and only time in his life because his best friend basically pressured him into it..."if you don't help me i'll fail calculus." So no, it was not a strong or noble thing to do...my friend should have been brave enough to refuse. However, teenagers make mistakes and are easily pressured by friends. No reason to label the kid a cheater because of it.</p>
<p>I want to know what is going to happen...</p>
<p>me too...</p>
<p>I really don't get how cheating can be construed as a one-time mistake. There are so many moral, ethical and psychological barriers you must cross when cheating, and the fact that the OP nonchalantly texted answers back make me think something is wrong.</p>
<p>The AP exams are a form of standardised testing, and back in my birth country, whenever a major national exam took place, the country would go so far as to cycle invigilators between schools -- so your proctor was a teacher from another school. AP exam procedure is already pretty lenient as far as I see (except for the rather silly 'never discuss MCQ questions' rule).</p>
<p>What if you panicked, got angry, and you killed someone? After all, in essence it was just pulling a trigger... You're going to tell me it was a one-time mistake and it's unfair to throw away four years of your HS work for this one incident? Oh please.</p>
<p>I would go so far to say that cheaters have character traits that are irredeemable in their personality, because it shows a lot about their lack of morals, ethics and qualms -- things they must discard before proceeding to cheat.</p>
<p>When you cheat on an AP test, you are committing a crime against at least a quarter of a million other AP students by doing something that unfairly affects all of their curves. With the score of so many testers at stake, the OP is lucky he isn't getting into trouble with federal law, or worse, prison time. Rescindence from an Ivy is rather light punishment. If that doesn't already convince you all of the magnitude of the crime, then I don't know what will.</p>
<p>What if the OP gets off lightly? People with that kind of lack of personal integrity (and willingness to hurt hundreds of thousands of students just to please a single friend) are the type that make embezzlers, swindlers, Richard Nixons, Jeffrey Skillingses, and Kenneth Lays. We don't need another ethicsless person in America's top echelons.</p>
<p>prison time?! thta's a bit overboard, methinks</p>
<p>what happened to not bashing the OP? </p>
<p>to be quite honest, galoisien, you're right, every single person in the world who has given an answer, helped someone in unfair terms, whether on minimal or gigantic terms, have moral, ethical, and PSYCHOLOGICAL problems and there is something so wrong about that person. give me a break, get a life, and mind your own business. no one said that what he did was right, but i dont think ANYONE would consider giving him prison time. </p>
<p>and yes, an answer on a test is comparable to SHOOTING SOMEONE..</p>
<p>galoisien you've gotta be kidding me...</p>
<p>It just as well may be, since AP tests place one out of college courses, you know, the kind that leads to degrees, that lead to professions. If he doesn't get rescinded what will it say to him? </p>
<p>In the future, the OP might be in a high-ranking position, with another chance of helping a friend through unfair means.</p>
<p>These sorts of actions early in life often echo much larger actions that will take place later in life.</p>
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<p>When your actions are going into also have an unfair impact on the scores of a quarter of a million of other kids, don't you think that's a fair consideration?</p>
<p>What happens when doctors are caught committing fraud? They usually end up paying huge sums in malpractice suits and often face years of jail time. Oops, typing that on my resume was a one-time mistake.</p>
<p>Cheating is not a one-time mistake, much like using a weapon isn't -- I was drawing an analogy. The magnitude of the crime may not be the same, but the nature is.</p>
<p>next time you drive galoisien or get in a taxi, there is pollution. you are affecting the WHOLE WORLD. what kind of punishment do YOU deserve?</p>
<p>I don't drive. :) </p>
<p>Cars are but a necessary evil.</p>
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<p>Yes, I'm sure Jeffrey Skilling, Kenneth Lay and everyone at Enron were "only" helping out their friends too. That's why they don't deserve jail time, right?</p>
<p>People in privileged positions who cheat -- and get away with it -- are generally the type (especially if afforded the chance to go to an Ivy) to indulge in corruption, abuse of power and cause other social ills later in their life.</p>
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<p>Of course, if everyone said that ...</p>
<p>galoisien. you are insane. you are taking this way to far. and OP let us know what happens as soon as you know.</p>
<p>I agree that he should be disciplined (probation at least), but take a chill pill, galoisen.</p>
<p>i think we have come to the conclusion that the OP=kenneth lay. both deserve jail time..</p>
<p>now galoisien we understand you think cheaters are the scum of the earth. thats nice. now if you dont have anything productive to say to the OP's original question and remarks i suggest you move on. you have NO RIGHT to tell the OP he deserves jail time and that he has PSYCHOLOGICAL problems. NO RIGHT whatsoever. </p>
<p>go do your homework. watch some tv. i think you have something better to do than to troll these boards. at least i pray you do...</p>