<p>I don't see a problem with cheating. I mean, it's not the greatest thing out there, but it's not the sinful thing you guys make it out to be. I think the cheaters at school are like a reality check. Out in the real world, not everyone plays fair, and the sooner you kids realize that the better you'll be. I'm not telling you to go cheat, I don't find it a particularly attractive option, but don't get so ticked off by people who find ways to get ahead. I actually applaud cheaters who are good. I think that it takes a certain ability to be able to really get ahead. I've heard some really good cheating stories at my school, and I was impressed. I think cheating is a personal choice. It's like cigarrettes. Do I want to cheat? No. Do others want to? Yes. That's all it comes down to for me. I don't understand all this outrage that people on CC have for cheaters.</p>
<p>Collegecanwait...HAHA IT WAS A JOKE. Get over it.</p>
<p>And yea, I know kids who cheat and are a higher rank than I am, but nothing I do will stop them, so why bother. I stopped caring.</p>
<p>skierdude the whole point of grades and such is to separate the wheat from the chaff, to distinguish between students of varying ability. Cheating screws that up. Cheating is hardly a skill for the real world, check out Enron. Cunning maybe, cheating no. </p>
<p>It is not a 'personal' choice because it affects others.</p>
<p>Well - I did retake that 2230 in June. I can't wait to see how I did (And not that long a wait either, 20 hours of it which will be spent flying).</p>
<p>Every single one of you cheated, including me. Shocker? Have you ever asked whats on the test before you took it (that is cheating)? Copied homework? Cheated on tests/quizzes or change your answers while correcting them?</p>
<p>I know all of you HAVE cheated before. Why dont we all admit it? I really dont give a crap if you cheat on homework. In my opinion, its all busy work assigned by the teachers and in most AP classes there ISNT lots of busy work so thats GOOD. </p>
<p>What ****es me off is people cheating on tests and such. Those people do not deserve any respect.</p>
<p>I've cheated in math class before. My teacher was a bi-polar b**ch and she wouldn't even grade our tests and quizzes half the time.... She'd just give grades on how well she liked us... So on some tests I cheated... I bought that CD off of ebay that is their dynamic testing generator... Basically, it's the same questions, but it becomes dynamic B/C diff. vars are put in. So I just learned the questions and then the test had the same questions but diff vars for each and it wasn't a problem B/C I actually learned how to do the problem... It's not like TOTALLY bad cheating... But it still qualifies.</p>
<p>i found something interesting when looking through my schools book of colleges and who they admitted. Each former student's rank, GPA, and SAT's were listed, along with the decision of the college to admit/defer/decline them. It seemed to me that kids with the 3.4-3.8 GPA's actually had better SAT's then the 3.8-4.3 kids. I can tell all of you for a fact that a lot of the kids in the upper GPA level are so cutthroat and competitive that they cant afford NOT to cheat. So, I came to the conclusion that kids who had higher grades, in most cases, most likely cheated along the way, more so than their counterparts with the lower GPA range, in to boost that extra point or two. It showed to me that the kids in the middle/high GPA range were more intelligent</p>
<p>Most def. If I were a college admission officer, High SAT, medium GPA would get in 99% of the itme over high GPA low SAT.</p>
<p>matt630...</p>
<p>"I can tell all of you for a fact that a lot of the kids in the upper GPA level are so cutthroat and competitive that they cant afford NOT to cheat."
no...you can not tell us that for a fact. i know much more people who have high grades and do not cheat than those with low grades and cheat. The people with high grades work very hard to get their grades. </p>
<p>"So, I came to the conclusion that kids who had higher grades, in most cases, most likely cheated along the way, "
conclusion from what? how does proving that middle gpa people got in prove that high gpa people cheat?</p>
<p>"It showed to me that the kids in the middle/high GPA range were more intelligent"
ugh...are you stupid?</p>
<p>i'm sorry but your post is completely BULL s---</p>
<p>"Most def. If I were a college admission officer, High SAT, medium GPA would get in 99% of the itme over high GPA low SAT."</p>
<p>um...it's much easier to cheat on one test than many tests, homework, projects throughout 4 years of highschool. i'm glad you are not a college admission officer.</p>
<p>Whatever. Not factoring cheating in, getting a high SAT scores shows much more intelligence than a high GPA.</p>
<p>agreed with above^</p>
<p>"Whatever. Not factoring cheating in, getting a high SAT scores shows much more intelligence than a high GPA."</p>
<p>so hard work as a virtue does not count?</p>
<p>I'm tkaing driver's ed and I lost my glasses today. they're in my house osmewhere.........this sucks. </p>
<p>matt630, the top 10 students in my class ( of 662) are the most morally reputable.people I know and know from personal interaction that most of them don't cheat. They are just naturally gifted and talented but put morals b4 grades. </p>
<p>then again, there is this teir ( top 10 - 5%) I say, with people who cheat. mainly the white rich kids whose parents put them in th ehonors program and care more about getting drunk over the weekend than learning. ( terrible stereotype I know but applies to so many of my peers). A lot of those people are gonna flounderi n college. Almost feel bad for them.</p>
<p>For some reason I've stopped caring aobut grades this year. Seems like too much worry for such small yield. Just do your best, implement some grade boosting strategies, and take it as it goes. Course it does slightly lower my grade cuz I am less stressed and focused, but who cares? I think that makes me wonder what is hte purpose of cheating.</p>
<p>I really dont see the problem with cheating. At least on homework assignments cuz those are often assisted by peers or teachers and what differnece does it make whether you copied the answers or worked it out yourself as long as you understnad hte material ? that's probly one reason I disliek it when homeowrk counts a lot for grades. </p>
<p>Tests on the other hand.......... not so sure. I dont cheat because of a moral instinct but I really can't justify my trepidation for dishonesty. Other than the ramifications like a 0 or expulsion from college or a workplace, what makes cheating wrong?</p>
<p>Anyone can work hard. Most people do when the subject matter interests them. With truely smart kids (einstein, etc), high school is of little interest.</p>
<p>spartan Pho3nix. </p>
<p>damn dude. just b/c einstein didn't work hard in school doesn't mean his case applies to all mankind. you generalize a lot in your confused brain. you like to apply a certain extreme case to everything. also: did you know einstein had a larger brain than normal? </p>
<p>unless you can give me veritable statistics that smart people study less (what an oxymoron!)... you have no proof of the BS that you are saying. </p>
<p>seriously...get out. never come back to these forums again!</p>
<p>How can I fricken show you that? Do you think anyone has done a study of intelligence versus study time? And what does that even mean?</p>
<p>Ill just assume you were mad that your SAT scores paled in comparison to your GPA (As a result of your overzealous work ethic) and decided to take your anger at yourself out on me. I'll give you a second chance. Good Luck.</p>
<p>And, BTW - i'm just going straight off of evidence from my school and my life. Sure, the occasional brilliant hard working kid pulls off a 4.4/1600 along with studying constantly every night...but how rare is that?</p>
<p>how rare is that? <-sounds like you're agreeing with me
it's not very rare.</p>
<p>studying makes you smarter right?
how can someone who does not make himself smarter by studying be smarter than someone that does not make himself smarter by not studying? <-in general</p>
<p>Think about this: If the SAT is easily studied, as people here and around the country constantly claim, then the SAT is indeed a MUCH better tool to determine college admissions than GPA. GPA is HIGHLY variable - it changes from school to school, region to region, grade inflation, etc. SAT Scores, on the other hand, are not. Also - if the SAT is easily studied, high SAT scores reflects one (or both) of two things. (1) Great inate intelligence or (2) dedication to studying for the SAT.</p>
<p>If a "hard working" student is willing to put in the time to maintain a <4.0 GPA, why can't they also put in the time to achieve a high SAT score (Something people on this board often say is easily obtained through studying).</p>
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<p>When I say smarter, I say inate intelligence. i.e. there are some universal concepts that neither you nor I could EVER comprehend yet are easily comprehended (even thought up) by others. Inate intelligence is your ability to understand/reason. The studying had no affect on this.</p>
<p>after thinking a lot about your post...
i agree with you that SAT is standardized more so than GPA's that vary from school to school. </p>
<p>but </p>
<p>innate intelligence...now that's a difficult subject</p>
<p>but i assure you...people who get high scores on the SAT may not have to study much in high school, but they may have recieved much mental stimulation when they were younger (this can be considered studying)...such as cosntant reading</p>