<p>Okay, I know someone just made a thread on this, but I felt compelled to make my own. I don't know about other people, but nothing gets to me more than cheating. It honestly makes me so angry I want to stand up and say something sometimes. I think it wouldn't make me so furious if the students who did it were going to flunk anyways, but the majority of the students who do it (and it's obvious as I and other students can see it) are straight-A, straight arrow students who are thought of as being very intelligent. It just bothers me because I can honestly say that I have earned every grade I have with my own brain.</p>
<p>and google.</p>
<p>people have, are, and will always cheat. its life, face it. no body wants to hear about how you despise cheating.</p>
<p>not that i support cheating or anything....but i have to agree that some of the stuff teachers give for classes and assignments are so worthless there is no point in doing it...yet it's worth so much. those students will get an A in the class because they know the material because they are smart; they just don't want to put the effort into doing the work, which most of the times is useless anyways.</p>
<p>I really haven't witnessed that much overt cheating in college so far, but then I don't take a lot of exam-based classes and I don't exactly look for it, either. But I was always one of the people that not-quite-so-smart-but-still-in-advanced-classes students in high school cheated off of. I remember this one day, we were taking the final exam for a math class and I felt really sick and I was trying to do it as fast as possible so I could go home and not puke all over the test, and I happened to glance over to my side and the two girls who were sitting next to me are practically climbing over the desk so they can see my paper, which I was leaning over pretty closely. How the hell did the teacher not notice? And they knew I saw them but they kept doing it, and I honestly felt too sick to care at that point. </p>
<p>But I developed this sort of paranoia where I feel like I can't concentrate on any sort of test I'm taking if I'm not blocking it from the view of all the other people in the room, even though people aren't likely to cheat in that way in college. It's one thing to write notes all over your arms or whatever your chosen method is, but something else to let someone else do all the actual work of studying and thinking and then just use their answers.</p>
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people have, are, and will always cheat. its life, face it. no body wants to hear about how you despise cheating.
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<p>You can also say that hunger has existed in the world and will always exist. Does this mean that we shouldn't try to solve hunger? Let's just let those millions of people in third world countries starve?</p>
<p>You can also say that war has existed in the world and will always exist. Does that mean we should not aspire for world peace? Let's send you tens of thousands of miles away from your family and friends, facing the possibility of dying, and see how you like it.</p>
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but i have to agree that some of the stuff teachers give for classes and assignments are so worthless there is no point in doing it...yet it's worth so much.
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<p>I really think this applies to high school and not college. But I've never seen any homework assignments worth that much.</p>
<p>I honestly think in some cases, teachers for whatever reason choose to ignore cheating. For instance, during tests I've seen people just pop their textbook open with their foot and then bend over their desk to read it. How could that not be obvious to any competent teacher?!?</p>
<p>I have actually said something. This guy I knew was in art history with me and he kept looking at my paper during a quiz. So I moved seats. My professor was like what are you doing. And I told her why I moved. The guy was like in shock and horror. I enjoyed it.</p>
<p>Good job flgirl04. :)</p>
<p>But nobody gets starved to death or shot/blown/whatever to death because someone cheated how you solved calculus problem 11213 in your class, you see. You also need to assess the importance of it. Do I think cheating's good? no. Does anybody think cheating's really good? Probably not... But you can't treat it the way you would treat world hunger and war now would you?</p>
<p>One of my friends despised cheating and told people to stop as well, but that just didn't happen... (she also said we should stop doing stupid wars etc so she's kinda in that category eh?)</p>
<p>Please, everyone in every aspect of life cheats. The ones that do it well are the ones that are successful.</p>
<p>cheating is okay if u can get away with it</p>
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But nobody gets starved to death or shot/blown/whatever to death because someone cheated how you solved calculus problem 11213 in your class, you see. You also need to assess the importance of it. Do I think cheating's good? no. Does anybody think cheating's really good? Probably not... But you can't treat it the way you would treat world hunger and war now would you?
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<p>That's not the point. The point is we shouldn't stop trying just because an ideal dosen't seem possible to reach. We probably can't eliminate hunger completely, but we still try to combat hunger. We probably can't eliminate cheating completely, but we should still try to combat cheating, not just give up and say "well there will always be cheating so let's ignore it."</p>
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Please, everyone in every aspect of life cheats. The ones that do it well are the ones that are successful.
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<p>That's interesting. I don't cheat and I've been pretty successful. Do you want to be successful because you honestly earned it or because you cheated? What's the point in cheating if everyone just cheats everyone else? Imagine a world in which everyone just cheats and lies and steals from everyone else. Is that a world in which you want to live?</p>
<p>If you really can't stand cheating, go to a school with a more laid back environment and a strong honor code/system. In the cutthroat environment like that which exists at the majority of top colleges and universities, cheating is inevitable.</p>
<p>I'm not sure if that's the right attitude to have either. Instead of trying to avoid cheating, let's attack it. Encourage others not to cheat, turn in cheaters, and make sure people know that cheating will have its consequences.</p>
<p>Maybe cheating is inevitable in a cutthroat environment, but the environments don't need to be cutthroat. Look at MIT and CalTech. These two run arguably the toughest curriculums in the nation, yet they don't have cutthroat environments. The students work together and help each other. Other universities could learn something from MIT and CalTech.</p>
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Imagine a world in which everyone just cheats and lies and steals from everyone else. Is that a world in which you want to live?
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as opposed to the present world where no one cheats and lies and steals from everyone else...</p>
<p>^^ Lmao.......</p>
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as opposed to the present world where no one cheats and lies and steals from everyone else...
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<p>No, as opposed to the present world where some people cheat, lie, and steal, but many do not. I think it is definitely an improvement, and would be even better if less people cheat, lie, and steal, so we should strive for that.</p>
<p>Well i'm just telling you the more you worry about it the more you are gonna drive yourself crazy because it just won't happen. You probably can reduce the number of cheats, but you can't get rid of them completely... just like you can't reallly get rid of wars and world hunger because the world isnt nice like that.</p>
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I'm not sure if that's the right attitude to have either. Instead of trying to avoid cheating, let's attack it. Encourage others not to cheat, turn in cheaters, and make sure people know that cheating will have its consequences.
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<p>I'm sorry but that seems like a ****ty idea...I mean i like everything except 'turning in the cheaters' deal. I would hate have friends who turn in eachother and whoever turns people in wouldn't be very well looked upon either. It's very 1984 like isn't it? Encourage others not to cheat doesn't work too well when the paper is due with in 5 minutes and you have none of them done.. XP</p>
<p>i warn my students every single semester that any academic dishonesty will result in failing the course. i do not kid around. i teach an intro to excel segment in my course, and i do not tolerate it when a student will print a spreadsheet, change the name in the footer and print it a second time. of course, even after repeated warnings, some students failed to take me seriously. they will be taking the course a second time. i know that other instructors know that cheating is happening, but i think that they don't want to deal with the unpleasantness that is most definitely associated with the decision to fail students for cheating.</p>