<p>How much outside study is required for labs? Or I should ask, how many hours per week is put into labs (lab itself, lecture, lab report, etc.)?</p>
<p>(say for Chem 20L and Physics 4ABL)</p>
<p>okay 20l takes a lot of time.. even more time if your lab partner is ****ing retarded like mine "what's a powder funnel?"</p>
<p>postlabs take a lot more time than prelabs since you have to meet up with your partner and all that ****. its good if you are lucky to get a good one, but my ta has started changing us every week</p>
<p>If you get Pang for 20L then prepare to works lots. His exams are more difficult relative to other profs. If you happen to get one of the top 3 midterm scores, he'll put your name up on the board as part of a list and ask you to come into his office for a little talk. Happened to me and I thought I was in trouble. It's basically a pep talk from him to keep doing well and he'll offer to write a letter of recommendation (never did take him up on the offer for the LOR). </p>
<p>As for the lab, depends on your TA. Some of them could care less how well you understand the experiment and basically leave you on your own. If a TA is other than first year, then they REALLY don't want to be there. Oh yeah, there's a quiz right before every lab. My Chem lab partner and I had our sh it together so we always finished at least 45 minutes before everyone else.</p>
<p>Try to avoid having to repeat any of Chem your experiments and rescheduling lab time with Denise. She's not the most pleasant person to work with. She won't hesitate calling an undergrad stupid in front of others. I saw and heard this one girl, who wasn't too thick skinned, come out of Denise's office crying after Denise got done taking it out on this poor thing.</p>
<p>Generally, I found the Physics labs much more relaxed in terms of doing the experiments and lab write ups compared to Chem. The Physics TAs were all cool.</p>
<p>Physics 4AL is a piece of cake compared to Physics 4BL, where you need all three hours. :rolleyes:</p>
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<li><p>Does it matter more of the quality of your TA or professor in 20L? TAs are not assigned yet, but 20L professor is "easy".</p></li>
<li><p>How many hours (estimate) is required for each lab report (pre and post)?</p></li>
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<li><p>russell? **y old lady. yea it matters, my first ta literally couldn't speak english AND she mumbled. new one is white so all is fixed.</p></li>
<li><p>~40 min to 1 hr for me for the prelabs because .. you have to look up msds and sometimes its really hard to find... and msds is on the internet and i get distracted. postlabs, depends on the lab itself, and your lab partner. maybe 2 hrs, 3? graphs are a **</p></li>
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<p>^^^Damn dude, it doesn't sound like you enjoyed the Chem labs much. LOL</p>
<p>Yeah, how long pre-labs/lab write ups take depends on what your TA wants. Most of them are instructed by the prof. to tell the students to write a flow chart of the experiment in the notebooks for the pre-lab. The lab write ups are basically the same as the pre-labs except for data (not raw), calculations, error analysis, graphs and conclusion. </p>
<p>When my lab partner and I were doing the experiments, we did the calculations using an Excel spreadsheet on the spot. By doing that we had an instant graph to our results and usually came up with most of our experimental conclusion. This saved a sh it load of time when it came to doing the actual write up. If you're going to use Excel to get your graphs and charts, learn the linear regression function 'cause that'll save you from having to draw a best fit line and calculating the slope.</p>
<p>Pre-labs: max of 1.5 hrs.
Lab write ups: anywhere from 2-4 hours.</p>
<p>rushrules, who did you have for 20L?</p>
<p>^^^Pang. I actually only attended the first lecture and the lectures right before the midterm/final. A total of 3 out of how many.</p>
<p>Pang's a nice guy and has lots of connections. Get to know him if you've got the time.</p>
<p>Just to add. Lots of people don't end up getting an A in 20L because their technique sucks. Even if you do well on the midterm and final for the lecture part, if your experiments aren't accurate you most likely wont get the A 'cause lab is all about technique.</p>
<p>Even if your partner's not the greatest, work with them, be patient and take the time to help explain what's going on if that's what it takes to get the experiment right the first time. It'll give them confidence for the next round and it'll benefit you in the long run.</p>