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on the test argument. note the sheer amount of people in china, compared with US. 100 people getting perfect scores in US is in view of US population, which is significantly smaller than China's. Thus, you can mutiply this number several times. And in turn, multiply the 2390s, 2380s, etc. several times. I think that is more than enough to fill those elites.

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<p>ebonytear,</p>

<p>Since we can't compare Chinese language with SAT verbal, I am just gonna say something about the math. You are probably assuming equal level of competence in math but in reality, the students in China are actually significantly better on average (China had also won just about every IMO (international math olympiad) in the past decade and more often than not, did so by comfortable margin). I am gonna bet that if 5x the students in China took SAT, there would be 10x (and likely more) of those getting 800 on the math portion. I am not saying they are inheritly better but the high school curriculum and training they have are pretty insane. How do I know that? Well, I stayed in Beijing for 2 months and I saw their textbooks/exam exercises before. For entrance exam, the level of difficulty is significantly higher than AP tests. Keep in mind that AP tests are taken by small % of students here whereas the entrance exam is taken by everyone over there.</p>

<p>However, I don't agree with the kind of training and pressure put on them so early in life. When I was there, I volunteered to work with high school students and exams seemed to be the constant worry for them. Quite a few told me they wished to be in the US because in their mind, they felt life would be more fun (and it's true!) here. We see pressure to succeed for many on CC board but CC members are a rather self-selected group and often top students. In China, the pressure to succeed (or even just pass because of the difficulty of exam) is felt by just about everyone, regardless of his/her class rank.</p>

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<p>You have great SAT scores, but come on. Your EC and GPA sucks. If you can score that high on the SAT, you should have still been able to manage around a 3.5 UW without much effort. Even the laziest SAT high scorers I know still manage a 3.7+ W GPA. Also, you'd think since you didn't really do any HW for school, you'd have time for some decent ECs, but evidently you wanted to spend your time elsewhere.</p>

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<p>Vehement, I think you have me confused. Apparently you don't think that I know enough about China to judge? Well, let me tell you this, I'm chinese, I was born in china, as where my parents. I go back every year and stay for the whole summer. I do charity work there, teach english in classes, and often sit in on College Classes in Bei Da. My cousin recently transfered from Xinhua to UC Berekely, and another cousin of mine is tranfering to Princeton. Evidently, it seems that the hard work of your parents to bring you to American and raise you here is lost to you. I'm not even going to post on this thread anymore. I agree with EbonyTears, you go ahead and be happy for the posts that take pity on you. Because apparently, our advice to you is lost or scoffed at. You seem to be deluding yourself if you think that competition here is easy. You think our GPA is 'flawed', I laugh at that. Surely you word agree that hard work and dedication would get you everywhere. I just think your bitter because of your GPA. Well get use to it, if you're not going to work for it, don't even think about making something of yourself. You are such a dark mark on the reputation of American Asian. Go humor yourself with the posts that offer some sympathy, because you're not going to get any here.</p>

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<p>Kylipso i think you got yourself confused. When in the hell did I start to be edgy when you gave me advices? Where in the enitre second post of yours contain anything relevant to the main topic of the post? You just fell into the same hole as ebony; hating people who thinks hw is a waste if it doesn't help.
yes it may represent arrogance but tell me whats the point? dedication? dedication on what? dedication on stuff you already know? thats not dedication, thats being dogmatic.</p>

<p>apparently by your posts saying how competition here is so much more than in china, you just proved that u are the one who is truly deluded. even ebony pointed out "And the statistics: 7.23 million people took the College Entrance Examinations in China in 2004. " hello? get a clue bro...</p>

<p>and oh spare me the irony please. now you are implying that every americans/asian americans are the apex of the world..."You are such a dark mark on the reputation of American Asian" apparently you poor soul believes that ALL aa are so pure and so hardworking that 1 lazy person has ruined the reputation of an entire race...and hmm where did it say that my parents came here for me? i came here for them...they perfectly made it clear to me that i can go to an itnernational boarding school in shanghai and study for ib but i made the choice to come here. nce again you try to compare me to the sterotypes and wouln't budge from your provincial views...</p>

<p>and yet again may i emphasize that you should read every post by ebony before concluding that i wouldn't take any bad comments...in fact search my posts if you wish. you can see that even i believe i got no shot in those schools so i can;t understand your presumption "our advice to you is lost or scoffed at". let me make it clear again please, i would love to take in any advice you have but to turn this into personal attacks is not something my ego would allow me to take without retorting back</p>

<p>PS: atomic, i chose to do whats 'fun'. i mean everyone likes to hhang out in movie theaters/cyber cafes all day etc...but i guess the temptation was toog reat for me to restrain myself from doing so all day long...</p>

<p>To Ebony: "where are the statistics proving this? i don't think so. about 100 people got perfect scores the first time, and as time progresses that number....blahb lah"</p>

<p>thats why i made the reference of 585/600 (same ratio as 2340/2400). 585 is way above the bu cut line.</p>

<p>and also i said that " I mean if I was in China I might as well have gotten into Beijing U or Xinhua since China looks at test scores alone. Of course the tests are much harder"</p>

<p>so ya next time learn to read before you reply. </p>

<p>"do i use the word hate? am i envious of you? no. not because i think you're stupid or such, but because i'm OK with who i am. I think a good work ethic is essential, especially to our society."</p>

<p>dude if thats the case then go away after you made your point..no need to hang around here and make 10 similar posts just to repeat "I really hate how colleges look down on slackers like this"</p>

<p>get a clue..</p>

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<p>LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL LOL LOL!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Man... this is a funny post. Here is my opinion... OPINION... O P I N I O N: You will not get into ANY college with this much arrogance... ARROGANCE. Warning: this is not an attack to your ego. I repeat... this is not an attack to your ego, superego, or id.</p>

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<p>P.S. We can all read quite well... your posts are just filled with too much unnecessary, unconstructive comments and phrases that we just get sick of reading it.</p>

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<p>You agree that the college entrance exams in China are much harder than the SAT yet you still scale down your SAT scores to use them as an example how you'd easily get into BU/Xinhua.</p>

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<p>i don't recall the word easily but i do recall the words 'try harder'</p>

<p>quick2011 and posts by ebony and kyl don't?</p>

<p>quick you think i started my thread with 'omfg i am so 1337?' maybe because someone tried to supress me?</p>

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<p>Everyone STOP posting on this thread. Apparently, Vehement is soooooo much smarter than us all, and doesn't need our help. Don't waste your precious energy entertaining someone who's ignorance and arrogance is up to her eyeballs.</p>

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<p>yes please stop 'helping' me by writing pieces of junk that has totally digressed from the main topic:</p>

<p>{quote)"By the way Vehement, after reading your statement about Xinhua and Beijing U, my opinion of you swayed drastically. This is not China. Yes, China is competitive, but America, the competition swells. Like I said before, the American schools looks for a well rounded person, not someone who studies just to pass test, like they do in China. That's why they look at your extracurriculars, such as community service, clubs ect. They look at a person's upbringing and breeding. Do you think the people at Harvard got in by being a shu dai ze (book nerd)? No, they got in by sheer will, determination, and hardwork. Sure, some had there parents buy there way in, but that's not relevent.</p>

<p>You make it sound like just because you're from China and the competition there is so high, America is a breeze for you. Well let me tell you something, if this is the way you act, then you better straighten up. We are a Market Society and no one's going to hand everything to you. You have to work for what you want, which apparently you don't. The whiny way you complain about not having a good enough GPA and --</p>

<p>"do i need to take super hard classes in cc?"</p>

<p>Come on! Do you really think that college is just so easy? I'll just say it flat out then. NYU is out of the question, unless you really start shaping up. Their adverage GPA is 3.74, and they only accept 23% of their overall applicants, and that's if you apply for Early Decision. Let me tell you, a 3.74 is a long shot from your 2.9. Of course, if you really study hard and actually apply that "I can't bare to see others beat me on exams" attitude, you'll be lucky to get into a state college. But if it really comes down to it, maybe you'll do better off in China. Get a mediocre education here, and you can go back to china and get a pretty good job. But that just proves that you don't have enough willpower to tough it out. I'm willing to bet that even if you do get into a college you want to, you'll probably slack off again and decided 'what the hell, I'm here already, I don't need to study since I already know it all.' I don't think your GPA is nessasarily the primary problem, I think you character is." (quote)</p>

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<p>No, the main topic here is your attitude. If you get rid of your arrogance and conceited posture, then everything else would come naturally. What I've been trying to tell you is simple; sitting on your ass all day thinking that you don't need to do homework because it's too easy and 'oh it won't matter' is going to make you a bum on the streets. I might be over exaggerating, but hey, I never met a person like you, who has everything the world has to offer on their finger tips if they just use their brains, but simply because of her over-bearing attitude, sneers at the rest of us who tries our best. Stop deluding yourself, and making minor attacks about me being off topic. It's simple, you're lazy, and now you deal with the consequences. Good luck getting into a college that accept you and your condescension.</p>

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<p>"sneers at the rest of us who tries our best"</p>

<p>oh dear god, you got it all wrong. >_< in fact in my point of view, its you guys who sneer at people like me...and to defend myself i have to grab at anything thats at my advantage and make a big deal out of it. </p>

<p>like i said, you can search my posts. i have always viewed people with 4.8 with amazement. and oh also i am not saying school is too easy, i am saying my classes are too easy. i know i will have to put in a tremendous deal of effort to take on 5 ap but i don't understand why i need to do hw like 3x = 8 what does x =. and its not up to me..because i have just arrived in us, my school won't let me take tougher classes....i was, infact, put in an independent school for like half a semester and was bout to be put in elc until my tutor in the independent school phoned in...so ya tis really messed up..</p>

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<p>Ok, first of all, HW isn't all that counts towards your final grade. If you're so smart then you should be able to score above 95% on all your tests. It's not possible for you to have a 2.7-2.8 for you're GPA just because you don't do your HW. I think you are lying.</p>

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<p>God I think I have said search my posts at least 100 times.</p>

<p>Anyways just to tell you this again...</p>

<p>2.7-2.8 = almost b average = almost 80% </p>

<p>i have american history thats based on points. a test is usually 150-200 points. we have 5-7 tests per semester but the total points last semester was over 3k...so ya tests doesn't even count much.</p>

<p>and most classes (math esp) count tests as 70%. so it means i need to do 33% of hw just to get a b- and oh i must have perfect tests scores.</p>

<p>in english, there are no tests..theres only 3 departments, class work, writing and hw....there are vocab tests and quiz after a book but thats bout it..and maybe the csu essay or sth like dat but that coutns for a bit. the only reason i had a b is coz i was quite ok in my junior debate..</p>

<p>lying? ya hey i can't handle alg 2 in school but i can get 800 on sat math....right...and this has nothing to do with intelligence...inteliggence comes in many forms..doing well on tests is only one aspect of intelligence...</p>

<p>ps whats the point of lying? ya show off how smart i am? ya i will be recognized on the streets.."hey dude its vehemnt from cc..he is so smart..darn look at that huge brain"</p>

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<p>I now can definitely see, why you have a 2.8 for your GPA. Gods where did you learn to spell?! Good Lord, arguing with you is like arguing with a door nob. 'Ya?' I think you mean, yea, spelled 'y-e-a'? </p>

<p>" have american history thats based on points. a test is usually 150-200 points. we have 5-7 tests per semester but the total points last semester was over 3k...so ya tests doesn't even count much."</p>

<p>I give up. Debating with you has just lowered my I.Q. </p>

<p>"lying? ya hey i can't handle alg 2 in school but i can get 800 on sat math....right...and this has nothing to do with intelligence...inteliggence comes in many forms..doing well on tests is only one aspect of intelligence..."</p>

<p>You're arguments are so illogical. Go talk to someone who'll take some pity on you, because nobody here is giving any. So what now, punk?</p>

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<p>hey let me spend 1 hour on a post so i can post in perfect sentences...</p>

<p>omg ya is not acceptable..omg neither is omg..lets all write perfect essays!</p>

<p>lmao illogical? perhaps you shud admit dat u just can't understand simple english? pity? pity from some imbecile? no thx punk..</p>

<p>where in the post did i say i seek pity? are you a crackhead or sth? perhaps you just love to belittle others coz you have been belittled for all of ur life...oh god..mercy..</p>

<p>"I now can definitely see, why you have a 2.8 for your GPA. Gods where did you learn to spell?! Good Lord, arguing with you is like arguing with a door nob. 'Ya?' I think you mean, yea, spelled 'y-e-a'? "</p>

<p>LMAO DUDE, *** IS A NOB? ITS K-N-O-B. wow i am loving this...instant classic...let me guess what u r gonig to say now? oh i bet u r gonna say "hey i said nob coz i am making fun of u"...sure bro..sure..</p>

<p>can your iq get any loweR? i doubt it..</p>

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<p>Wow, this thread is so stupid. Vehement, if you were really such a master at all of the content in the HW, then you would have completed it during class or at home in a matter of minutes. Even if the HW is of no use to helping you, it is of use to helping you get a good grade in the class by completing it. You seem well aware that HW makes up a big part of your class grades, yet you still wouldn't put in a little effort each day to do it.</p>

<p>Your rational just doesn't make any sense at all. You have to be a troll...</p>

<p>And if you aren't, then your complete lack of effort is about to screw you over big time.</p>

<p>P.S. Smart people do well in easy classes typically with little or no effort, not horrible in them, and if they do not do well, they put in some effort and then they do well.</p>

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<p>just by psoting that you made yourself very stupid...</p>

<p>what kind of person spends hours to post some fake ****? nad if its fake why wouldn't i make up something like 4.8 gpa? you have a brain for a reason..use it.</p>

<p>you just have no clue what a slacker really is...its not how lnog the hw will take..its not how important it is....slackerslike myself didn't care bout hw....of coruse we realize how important it is now but thats too late...your assumption is not only false but myopic..</p>

<p>read if you wish...ya a troll will really write all dat...yep i am such a troll...</p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=42547&page=1%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=42547&page=1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=68477&page=1%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=68477&page=1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=69503&page=1%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=69503&page=1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=73108&page=1%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=73108&page=1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=74061&page=1%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=74061&page=1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>ps if idiots like ebony and kyl don'tcome in..we wouldn't even have an arguement..</p>

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<p>Myopic myopic. look at meh i'm speeeelin lyke Verhermont. I liek to whaste othdrr peropl's tyme bhy speelin wrung & shayin mypoic. LOL... sorry... I just like to see how defensive you get when people say something about you through an online forum where you will never see them in real life. Talking about ego... and all that stuff... hahaha. I mean come on... if you're as smart as you claim at least you can see when the teacher passes out his or her syllabus that homework will consist of x% of the grade. If homework is a significant factor into the grade... then simply... do it... maybe... instead of trying to justify your past actions to a bunch of high school students on an online forum...</p>

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<p>clearly you can't even read..</p>

<p>"you just have no clue what a slacker really is...its not how lnog the hw will take..its not how important it is....slackerslike myself didn't care bout hw....of coruse we realize how important it is now but thats too late...your assumption is not only false but myopic.."</p>

<p>and oh btw don't you think its faster to type this way..lmao and hey just because i won't see you in real life doesn't mean i will let you come in and troll? don't think so...</p>

<p>and its also funny that 'the bunch of teenagers' are arguing with a teenager who won't do his hw on an online forum isn't it?</p>