Chinese-national students exempted from the freaking SAT - unfair!

<p>I don't understand why Chinese-nationals are exempted from the SAT?! It's not like they can't freaking have an SAT centre in Beijing or Shanghai? It's totally unfair that they are granted this exception because their Verbal scores will surely be relatively low (no offense) - because they are non-native speakers of English and they rarely or never use English to communicate. I think they have an unfair advantage because adcoms cannot see the 'fuller' picture of which the SAT is essential in an application for other students.</p>

<p>Hm right now I think there isn't a single SAT centre anywhere in China. I wonder why that is? Politics again?</p>

<p>Yes, Chinese students are exempted from SAT...but it is my understanding that they are required to take GRE (graduate test for engineering) which is a lot more tougher than SAT...i might be mistaken...but thts what i thought...</p>

<p>No. It doesn't make sense that a senior hs student has to take a GRE.</p>

<p>All testing centres in mainland are open only to students who hold a non-mainland passport.
Most of us travel to Hongkong to take the test. There are only several schools requiring GRE as a substitute. However, those without SAT, though approved for a complete application, are already put into disadvantage. This year's admission result verifies the assumption. Whoever skipping SAT is taking their own risk.
High-score achievers in mainland are rare, but it doesn't mean there aren't. GRE is simpler than SAT, from my perspective.</p>

<p>GRE is simpler than SAT? I thought GRE was for the students already in college if im not misataken?</p>

<p>Why cant they just have a testing centre in China? then students wont have to travel to hong kong.. How hard is it to open a centre? All you need is a centre like a school, and some supervisors.. right?
Weird.....
(and I also think that the chinese should take the SAT. i'm a native speaker of english and I keep getting 540 for critical writing lol)</p>

<p>hey, no offense, but whoever said chinese-nationals will have low verbal scores? its not some kind of "english proficiency test"... they don't test your SPEAKING or LISTENING... in my opinion chinese students would obtain much HIGHER scores. so SOME chinese people have low verbals but that doesnt mean its uncomparable to other people. that prep center in beijing, i forgot what it was called, for Tofel, people come out of there scoring so many PERFECT scores. in terms of internationally, i will almost bet chinese people scores the highest average TOFEL score of any country. if the sat was open to chinese people, who said they would not do well? theyll just to go some high quality cram/prep school and get a perfect verbal... after all... it IS just vocabular and reading, and the new one has grammar and writting, but its not like they are asking you to write a piece of literature. i mean, i got a perfect score on the writting. u just gotta write what they ask for. even if your sentences aren't "beautiful" as long as they make sense, is gramatically correct, and has decent vocabulary and organization. personally, i dont consider it HARD for chinese people to take the SAT. if anything, its easy compared to everything else they might go through</p>

<p>u can imagine a chinese boy sitting at home memorizing the dictionary can't u? if u knew how a chinese student studies for the chinese college entrance exam, u would think the sat is a piece of cake</p>

<p>Actually there are testing centres in China, but they're only open to non-Chinese students. Rumour has it has more to do with politics than anything else.</p>

<p>As to it being unfair, a good SAT score can help you so much during admissions - not having one is the greater disadvantage.</p>

<p>the sat IS seriously a 'piece of cake' compare to the Chinese college entrance exam</p>

<p>i remember the test prep now: 新东方: xin dong fang
i heard a they prep sats too. my mom said a girl went there for a 28 day prep and got a perfect score. now i wish i went there to ha</p>

<p>sat math is a joke
sat iic math is also a joke</p>

<p>SATs and SAT math subs are pretty much jokes in comparison to the entrance exam. A interview would probably have been harder than the tests.</p>

<p>? Have you seen the international admit rate for chinese admits? I am so not jealous of them</p>

<p>I've heard that sometimes people who have learned English as a second language can speak English better than native speakers. It's probably due to the fact that they when the learn English, they are taught with the proper grammer and sentence structure. This would most likely apply to written English as well as spoken.</p>

<p>well yeah, the admit rate is low, because chinese people are "overachievers" in terms of scores. its not even just international... chinese admit rates are low even for greencard/citizens. hypothetically statiscially.. u might have latinos or whatever average sat as 1300 but chinese/korean/japs at 1500.. theyre not gonna accept ALL the chinese people...even if they have 1500s. prestigous colleges want "diversity"... so they only accept a few of the "typical asian"... </p>

<p>12 years of piano, chess champion, debate team, 1600, 4.0gpa, 35 act...</p>

<p>chinese definitlely have a disadvantage...despite being exempted from SAT. the money part is especially, uh, difficult. you need to filthy rich if you're not applying for scholarship or fin aid. and there're so many chinese students wanting to go to US that i think ad coms are getting sick of us.</p>

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12 years of piano, chess champion, debate team, 1600, 4.0gpa, 35 act...

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And even then, you're still not a shoo in. -_- Ah, the mysterious game of college admissions...</p>

<p>sometimes,i think the chinese way is much simpler...as long as you pass the number line, spend some money, you're in.
in china, you study hard before college. in US, you study hard in college.</p>

<p>It's simpler, but is it better? Sometimes numbers don't accurately reflect who might do well in university because it's a rather different "way of life"... you can't expect to ace college by just swallowing complete dictionaries and formulas anymore because you're expected to do some research of your own, right?</p>

<p>Thats why US education is supposed to be better than Chinese?</p>

<p>I have taken the China national college entrance exam, and was among the top 10 of all the test-takers in Shanghai (roughly 120,000 for my graduating year). Of those top 10, there are Yale waitlist, Columbia waitlist, Swarthmore acceptee...I get into great schools also. I don't think the national exam is harder than SAT. And for GRE, once you get the vocabulary, you have cracked it. But for SAT, the critical reading performance decides your score, so a lot of us think GRE is simpler than SAT.</p>