Choosing between mechatronics EE and CS

<p>Hello,</p>

<p>1) I'm an international student and found these forums through google. Read a couple of helpful discussions around here but none were right on my question.
I have 2 main options for college like I said in the title. The EE school seems better in terms of equipment and teacher corps and also has a robotics club but it is only EE and the second one of course is offering this mechatronics major.
Is it better to choose a more interdisciplinary approach or should I just stick with electronics. The problem is in electronics there are absolutely no mechanics classes.
As i've read here, mechanics is already a very broad engineering field and lets you do many things, I can only think that also knowing electronics wouldn't hurt at all.</p>

<p>2) The first school also has an CS program, with some of the courses touching electronics. What in your opinion will be a future trend, designing the circuits and systems or being able to program them ? I ask this because nowadays more and more devices are becoming embedded and being able to make them do stuff seems more useful than knowing how to build them.</p>

<p>As it is right know, I'm pretty torn apart on which direction I should go. I seem to find them all equally important and I would just need some objective opinions so I can get over this decision phase, which is really draining, and immerse myself in actually learning the stuff :).
Thanks.</p>

<p>Pick mechatronics if you’re interested in interdisciplinary topics e.g. robotics and specifically the physical realization e.g. in industrial settings. The programme has been designed for this purpose, so you’ll be fed courses that are appropriate for your specialities and interests.</p>

<p>CS is a good option for mechatronics, although you’ll be missing all the physical design classes and applied physics classes, unless you supplement your studies with some mechanics, electronics etc. classes or read some books. What makes CS a good option though is that 1) you can focus on studying the algorithms and control theory for robotics, which is probably one of the most underdeveloped and difficult aspects of robotics, and not care about the physical realization that much, if any 2) you can focus on working with robotics simulations fluently, so you can pretty widely demonstrate and prototype the working of physical systems, but in software.</p>

<p>There are software jobs everywhere.</p>

<p>There are software jobs everywhere.</p>

<p>“2) The first school also has an CS program, with some of the courses touching electronics. What in your opinion will be a future trend, designing the circuits and systems or being able to program them ? I ask this because nowadays more and more devices are becoming embedded and being able to make them do stuff seems more useful than knowing how to build them.”</p>

<p>This is not a useful question as I would not suggest basing your pick on what you expect to be “in demand”, but rather what interests you at a deep level. Like what would you really love to do?</p>

<p>You may want to study about the microchip manufacturing processes and you’ll notice that it’s highly automated and there are very few manufacturers, because the facilities are expensive to build and run. There are more designers, but I would not say that microchip or logic chip design is a “hot area” nowadays, because it’s so well known and quite exhausted technically and there are many chips that are general purpose, thus you make them fit the purpose solely by writing the appropriate software. Most programmers and I would assume EEs as well assume that the chips simply exist for most applications and can be purchased on demand and custom designs are a rare occasion. However, if electronics is a deep passion of yours, then definitely get into electronics. A “hot area” would be nanotechnology and/or organic electronics that are necessary to overcome the limits of the current manufacturing processes.</p>

<p>Computer science has highly relevant and interesting endeavours nowadays because computers are so widely and cheaply available and there are numerous research fields as well as software innovations that are yet to be realized. I would say that many problems in IT are nowadays software problems rather than hardware problems, especially when general purpose computers are in use. Software may be a different world for someone who’s very “hardware minded”, but if software and mathematics is your thing, then it’s surely an useful pick as well. And remember, all computers are basically useless without software.</p>

<p>Thank you for the replies very helpful.
One more question. I’ve just noticed that the mechanics school also has an industrial design major.
Long story short I come from an arts background but i’m interested and willing to pursue any kind of technical endeavour, that’s why I was asking for advice regarding the different programs.
But looking at this one it seems like it’s a good blend between science and art, though i’m not sure where the design part fits in the whole engineering pipeline.
Is it that when you want to build, create something, you first come up with the design and how it is supposed to look with respect to some science laws and manufacturing rules so as to make something viable and actually doable ? And then the engineering part finds ways to integrate the tech into the design.</p>

<p>What I am trying to say, are engineers the ones that think about or invent new products, or do they find solutions to integrate their respective knowledge into a functional and aesthetic design and everybody works together to make this happen, but the idea the concept for the product is first thought out by the designer ? </p>

<p>With this in mind, will pursuing a major with a mechanical concentration (and not EE since mechanics seems to be more oriented toward the physical building side of things) in courses like mechatronics let me also work as a designer if I learn the necessary drawing/3d software myself ?
Thanks again for your help.</p>

<p>“One more question. I’ve just noticed that the mechanics school also has an industrial design major.
Long story short I come from an arts background but i’m interested and willing to pursue any kind of technical endeavour, that’s why I was asking for advice regarding the different programs.
But looking at this one it seems like it’s a good blend between science and art, though i’m not sure where the design part fits in the whole engineering pipeline.
Is it that when you want to build, create something, you first come up with the design and how it is supposed to look with respect to some science laws and manufacturing rules so as to make something viable and actually doable ? And then the engineering part finds ways to integrate the tech into the design.”</p>

<p>I don’t know how industrial design is linked in the real world and it probably varies a lot depending on what one’s doing and for who. I’d see at least two mainstream descriptions for industrial design: design of products that are design-optimized (i.e. they satisfy the functional, but not technical requirements, which are left as an “implementation concern”) or design of products that look good (i.e. industrial design primarily for aesthetic reasons). And then something between those two. Very closely linked to physical engineering considerations, but an industrial designer is not necessarily left to be concerned with the technical analysis, but the form and the function, and there will be other engineers for the technical analysis and design. Think architecture, but for all sorts of industrial products, rather than just buildings.</p>

<p>“What I am trying to say, are engineers the ones that think about or invent new products, or do they find solutions to integrate their respective knowledge into a functional and aesthetic design and everybody works together to make this happen, but the idea the concept for the product is first thought out by the designer ?”</p>

<p>Engineers are not usually (a generalization I know) artistically motivated, but technically or scientifically. An industrial designer’s viewpoint to engineering is humane and functional (what kind of product and why, not necessarily how or the technical “what and why”). E.g. if you need to design an alarm clock for non-technical, elderly people, you’re not going to stick a circuit board and a led panel into a square box and put some buttons on it and define the whole logic of controlling the alarm clock so that it’s something that only the implementer understands. No, you design an user interface (e.g. a case) that fits the purpose and appeals to the users, thus making their life simpler. </p>

<p>A designer can as well invent and project new products, it’s just that they’re not necessarily concerned with the technical or budgetary feasibility of their designs (although they can be, especially when the task specifically asks for that kind of consideration), but just optimal, functional or new and interesting designs.</p>

<p>“With this in mind, will pursuing a major with a mechanical concentration (and not EE since mechanics seems to be more oriented toward the physical building side of things) in courses like mechatronics let me also work as a designer if I learn the necessary drawing/3d software myself ?”</p>

<p>I would expect so. Artistic ability comes down to talent and ideas (and obviously practice), not crunching numbers or memorizing formulas. And if you understand the technical implementation or at least the feasibility as well as all sorts of optimization concerns (materials, strength, shape etc.) as well (it’s surely required/preferred for an industrial designer), then that’s even better.</p>

<p>There are software jobs everywhere.</p>

<p>thanks, i’ll just have to think hard before choosing EE or mech then :).</p>