CHP -- Opinions?

<p>Hey guys, this is my first post! :D</p>

<p>Anyways, I would like to hear honest, personal opinions about the UCI Campuswide Honors Program directly from students whom are currently enrolled in it. Give me your best and don't be afraid to give me your worst. I'm currently a full diploma IB candidate in senior year so I'm prepared to hear about how stressful the program is. </p>

<p>Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere before -- I'm new here. If you have a link to where it's discussed, feel free to post it, but I also thought this thread would be convenient as a collection of opinions for future students to see.</p>

<p>Hi,</p>

<p>In order to answer your question, what is your end goal? In another words, have you come to UCI to live the college social life? Or are you going to be serious about academics? Are you planning to go to graduate school? </p>

<p>I know these questions are very difficult to answer as an incoming freshman, but keep in mind that I know nothing about you. I have never met you in person and I probably never will, but in order to give you an honest answer – you will need to first give me yours.</p>

<p>Your question is super broad, since CHP comes with a mixture of academic and social differences from a non-CHP university experience. So I’ll cover just a few things that I would’ve liked to know as a freshman-- and how I personally feel about them!</p>

<p>CHP Required Courses: This is the academic portion of the program, and the dreaded Humanities Core that you’ll hear everyone lamenting about. That’s the course you’re required to take your freshman year. Then sophomore year, you have to take Social Science Core, and Junior year you’ll be taking Science Core unless you took Honors Chemistry freshman year. Personally, I didn’t take Honors Chemistry because I’m not a science major-- but all my friends are, and needless to say, the stress can be intense. Like, really, intense. But that seems to be the way it is for any science class, so you’ll want to ask a real science major if you want opinions on that. Otherwise, Humanities Core was really not all that bad. Everyone whines about it, but I thought it was easy. It’s just a matter of keeping up-- and you know, not even, really. I didn’t do half of the readings and I was fine, got a grade any CHP Student would be proud of. And some of the topics were actually really interesting. (Some weren’t.) It was really helpful in terms of transitioning into college style classes and expectations. But by sophomore year, you’ll be rolling your eyes over the required classes, because they take up so much of your schedule, and they feel really… irrelevant to what you’re majoring in. That’s my experience anyway. I’m going to stick with it for reasons I’ll talk about later, but personally, Science Core seriously the bane of my existence because I haven’t the slightest care for the sciences, and my science major friends feel the same way about Humanities and Social Science Core. It’s pretty tedious, and it can be a GPA drag if you don’t suck it up and study.</p>

<p>Priority Enrollment: This is like, 90% of the reason why CHP is worth it. Frankly, the satisfaction that comes from a senior’s face when they find out a CHP freshman’s enrollment window is earlier than theirs is such a great feeling-- and other than that, it really is a load off your mind to not have to worry about getting into your classes, and sometimes literally being the first to sign up for them. The only thing they don’t tell you is that you’ll still be fighting tooth and nail for your Core classes if you want a specific time. You’re competing with other honors kids who also have priority enrollment for those classes after all.</p>

<p>Social: I lived in the Shire, in Middle Earth, which is the CHP hall. My year we had a ton of spirit, and it was a really great place to live, wonderful atmosphere. There were fellow residents there who were willing to help you with homework, to study together, to remind you of assignments you’d forgotten about and other helpful things that really start to add up. You tend to share most of your classes with the people you live with in a CHP hall, so you see a lot of them-- which can be both a blessing and a curse. But beyond freshman year, you might branch out from your dorm and you get to be friends with everyone else in CHP too. It’s a good social scene, but it’s definitely anything but rowdy. I’m not sure about other generations of CHP, but everyone I know in CHP is pretty tame in terms of partying and clubbing and things like that. If you want a more expanded social experience in University, I’d look beyond CHP. Either that, or you’re going to have to get really involved with CHP’s Student Council. </p>

<p>Stress: Well since you specifically mentioned stress levels, I thought I’d tell you about the levels of how stressed I am being in CHP compared to how I’d feel if I weren’t. And… honestly, I don’t think it’d be any different. Most kids in CHP or considering CHP stress about their grades-- but if they weren’t in the program, they’d still stress about it anyway, right? Might as well get the bang for your buck since you’re going to stress either way. I definitely think it’s worth it, but mind you I haven’t gotten to writing the required honors thesis or doing the honors research, so this is just an overview of how you’ll feel your first two years of CHP.</p>

<p>Hope that helped, and tl;dr: It’s not stressful at all for anyone who has a semblance of a work ethic. (And a work ethic is something that’s harder to come by in college than you’d expect…)</p>

<p>@kaotik</p>

<p>For college I definitely want to maintain a balance of a social life and still be serious with academics. I know college kids like to say “Sleep, Social Life, or Good Grades. Pick two,” but I personally think as long as I can keep up with my responsibilities I can have all three if I wish! Haha.</p>

<p>Anyways, I plan to go on the pre-med track. I’m mostly likely going to pick a humanities for a major, though, like Psychology. I got invited into CHP this year. I have Bio as my current declared major but I’m really thinking about changing it.</p>

<p>Also, any info you guys have on scholarships UCI gives out? Haven’t been awarded any yet and I want to start applying for them soon.</p>

<p>@taiwonton: Wow, that was really helpful, thank you! I’m a HS senior got into CHP, which makes UCI much more appealing than before. A few questions:</p>

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<li><p>Is the science core based heavily on actual science where you have to understand in-depth material and do math, or is the science core ABOUT science and involving science but not hard-core?</p></li>
<li><p>How would a double major fare in CHP? I’m thinking about studying English and Economics. Coupled with the honors cores and the thesis, I’m not sure if I would be willing to handle all that work. Would I write only one thesis related to one of my majors?</p></li>
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<p>If other current CHP students have feedback, please comment as well!</p>

<p>Thank you!</p>

<p>Hi,</p>

<p>The statement of picking two of the three, “sleep, study, and social” is true. Keep in mind that UCI is on a quarter system and you will be having midterms 3 weeks into the quarter. Midterms occur twice a quarter and there is also a final. This doesn’t sound too bad right? Well multiply what I just said by the number of classes you are taking. If you are taking 4 classes that means you will have four finals in finals week and many midterms throughout the quarter.</p>

<p>If you are going the pre-med route you will find classmates that will sit in the Science Library to study eight hours a day just to be in the top of the class. These are the people that are typically aiming for top-tier medical schools. While social life is one thing that is nice to experience, remember you are here to study – not party. If you are having the mentality “yay I got into college, now I’m going to party!”, then you may have to sacrifice your dreams for those experiences. Medical Schools are incredibly competitive as of right now. There have been people who have 3.9 GPAs with a MCAT score of 32 and they are waitlisted by their dream school. Schools are looking for the entire package ranging from research, GPA, standardized test scores, volunteer, leadership, letters of recommendation, applications, etc.</p>

<p>I would not recommend that you do CHP. Medical Schools will take a look at your overall GPA, and getting a B in an Honors course is not greater than getting an A in a regular course. If you feel like you are intelligent and up for the challenge go ahead and do CHP. </p>

<p>While I am coming off as harsh and aggressive, I am telling you things that I wish people told me as I entered my freshman year of college. Many freshman are clueless are have difficulty adjusting to the change in the new atmosphere (when you go from elementary → middle → high school, you usually have the same group of friends). As your dreams are pre-med, I am hoping these words will help you reach your goals. I have seen many friends that have taken classes throughout the years with and they did not have proper priorities and were forced out of their major. In addition, you are paying 25k/year for your education, if you do poorly and decide to go to Post-Bac that is even more money. Keep in mind graduate school is incredibly expensive and you do not want to be racking up student loans or wasting your parent’s money. </p>

<p>I went off tangent, but good luck in your next four years. Wish the best for you.</p>

<p>@kaotik</p>

<p>UCI wasn’t at the top of my list of colleges until I got the CHP thing, but now that you say this I have to really consider my choices. Either way, it’s still early March. I have plenty of time to make my decision.</p>

<p>How long is a quarter at a UC? So after 6 weeks I would have taken two midterms? And in CHP, how many classes do students averagely take per quarter?</p>

<p>If any other CHP experts would like to contribute, please feel free :slight_smile: let’s make a collection of differt viewpoints.</p>

<p>A quarter is 10 weeks at UCI. There is a finals week that follows the 10th week of school. Most classes in your lower division classes will be giving you 2 midterms prior to the final. The first round of midterm is typically given in weeks 3-4, while the second round is given in weeks 7-8. It all depends on your professor, as some professors only give one midterm in week 5 or 6. </p>

<p>You can still go the pre-med route without being bio major, it may be harder to enroll in classes though because they are major specific until a certain date (this date is usually late and classes usually fill up)</p>

<p>Even though I discourage you to do CHP, there are certain advantages. Your registration date is earlier – I believe the first day.</p>

<p>I’ve heard Med Schools like to see inter-disciplined students in terms of majors (so you don’t HAVE to be some sort of science major)…is that true?</p>

<p>Also, what are the perks of CHP when applying to graduate schools? Do they see that you did an honors program at a University and feel more impressed? (kinda like how honors kids in high school stand out to colleges)</p>

<p>From taking an (almost) full AP/IB schedule in high school (AND getting straight A’s…well…ONE B per semester), will I be prepared for CHP work? At this point in my IB course, I just feel like “how much worse can the stress get?” haha.</p>

<p>Thanks so much for the help :)</p>

<p>Participating in CHP is a good thing to put on your application. But it will not make or break it. You see, getting into medical school is not reliant on just one thing. They are not going to accept you into their school just because you are an honors student. It is however, a plus. However like I said, it is crucial to make sure you do well in the program as getting a B in an honors class is not equal to getting an A in a regular class. </p>

<p>The application process for many professional schools weigh out your entire application: GPA, leadership positions, hospital experience, research experience, letters of recommendation, personal statement, MCAT scores, and volunteering. Medical schools are uninterested in students who only study, and now more then ever, they want people who are not just smart – but interesting.</p>

<p>You can get into medical school without being a science major as long as you satisfy the prerequisites for the school you are applying to. Being a science major makes fulfilling these requirements a bit easier as it it will be difficult for you to enroll in classes as some restricted to certain majors until a certain date. Usually classes will become full before they open seats up to other majors. The funding of a specific school such as the School of Biological Sciences is dependent on the number of students that are in the major. Therefore, this is the reason why there is a priority placed on their own students. Even if you are a CHP student you will not be able to bypass these major restrictions.</p>

<p>This may require you to take classes at a community college, which some medical schools accept – but they typically like seeing that you took your science classes at a reputable 4-year university.</p>

<p>I am glad to hear that you are an AP/IB student, but that does not necessarily mean you will excel in college. Why? Because UCI accepts many students with similar statistics as you. On the other hand, being prepared for CHP work all depends on your study habits. Your usual 30 student classrooms will become 400-student lecture halls. You will no longer have a high school teacher assigning homework to you, and if you do get homework it is very little. Many new freshman are not used to this change and typically fall behind, because they do not keep up with the readings or do practice problems on their own. </p>

<p>In terms of your IB course load, I am sure you have worked hard to get into your dream 4-year university. However, MANY freshman fall into the trap of wanting to explore their new environment, and again fall behind in school. I am telling you these things because, somewhere in the back of my head I wish someone could inform me of how things really work. I had to figure these things out myself, and there was consequences that I had to pay.</p>

<p>Honestly, if you study the way you do now and apply it to college – it will be a breeze. The problem is that you will find that you have SO MUCH more freedom in college than in high school. I am warning you, the transition from high school to college, and the amount of freedom that you will soon have can be quite addicting. I personally hated going to school, and I often ditched my classes during my freshman year and paid a steep price.</p>

<p>Medical School highlights these things as important:
MCAT → IMPORTANT
GPA → IMPORTANT
LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION → IMPORTANT
VOLUNTEER EXPERIENCE (did you shadow a doctor?) → IMPORTANT
LEADERSHIP EXPERIENCE (many do not have these, but you can hold a leadership position in a medical fraternity or even in clubs… its a huge perk and allows you to network) → PERK
RESEARCH (Are you published?) → HUGE PERK
INTERVIEW → REALLY IMPORTANT</p>

<p>Grades aren’t everything, you need to whole package to get into medical school. This is all overwhelming and I am sure you don’t have a clue what I’m talking about!</p>

<p>I see Med school applications are a lot tougher than college apps. I am so going to need to get good extracurricular experience.</p>

<p>I’d really like Psychology as my major, but if it might restrict me from getting the prereqs I need I just might have to throw that under the bus then… :&lt;/p>

<p>Is it true that the CHP core classes will tend to have smaller class sizes though? </p>

<p>The thing worrying me most right now is the whole getting a B in honors class thing. I heard stories where you can get a 90% on something and still get a B O_O is this true? Do teachers grade on a curve or is it based on the percentage you get?</p>

<p>I asked this earlier but it wasn’t quite answered (sorry, don’t wanna sound demanding!) but how many classes per quarter does the average CHP student take? That way I can kinda gauge how bad the workload can be…haha.</p>

<p>Thanks so much for all of the information. I’ve been dreaming of actually going to college for awhile now. I’m counting the months until June. I really can’t I’d have finished one quarter in a UC by the end of this year. I just hope I’m prepared.</p>

<p>As you are entering college, get used to the idea of freedom.</p>

<p>In order to be enrolled as full-time student you need to be enrolled in 12 units (3 class @ units each). Some people take more take 14, 16, 18, 20. There is no set amount but typically each class is 4 units.</p>

<p>On average I am enrolled in 16-18 units a quarter. Some people do 12-14. It really depends on how much course load they can handle.</p>

<p>Professors do not usually downcurve you. I have heard of that happening but it does not happen often.</p>

<p>CHP core classes are smaller.</p>

<p>If you are passionate about what you like to, stick with that major! Maybe instead of doing CHP, you could double major in Psychology and Biology. If you really like it maybe you can become a clinical psychologist or a psychiatrist. It’s up to you, there’s a lot of freedom here but just utilize your resources here. In four years if you feel that you didn’t get anything out of college it’s usually YOUR fault because you did the bare minimum. Don’t be that person and really get out there!</p>

<p>Also, I have a feeling I’ll be eligible for Sophomore standing with my AP/IB’s when (more like if) I enter UCI…how does that play out? Does that mean I can take one less year in college or do I merely get more priority when enrolling for classes?</p>

<p>And I’m guessing you and most students only do 3 quarters a year right? So do get a “summer vacation” to do whatever you please (Whether it be internships or literally enjoying your break)?</p>

<p>The thing I worry most about doing CHP is wondering if it’ll be worth it. Like taiwonton said earlier, apparently some kids feel like they are taking calsses that aren’t “valuable” to them. A double major does sound just as good as, if not better than, doing CHP (and it will probably look just as good to grad schools right?).</p>

<p>Hi,</p>

<p>I am afraid that you are mistaken about quite a bit of things here. I am sorry to say that high school counselors are misleading when they encourage their students to do AP/IB classes because it looks good or it helps in college. Yes it does help in college, but not as much as they say. With your AP classes you will be able to omit at most – the language requirement, and a math class. You will also be able to omit 2 entry level biology classes but they are so easy I would not see why you would not take them. They will also provide you with good practice for your future biology classes. You see, AP classes don’t really help that much because you do get credit but you don’t get a grade for it. </p>

<p>High school counselors typically encourage their students to participate in these type of courses, because it makes their school look good. If the school looks good, guess what? The property value of your parent’s house also goes up because more people will want to move into the neighborhood.</p>

<p>I believe you will still have to take four years of college, or at most graduate a quarter earlier.</p>

<p>Yes, summer break is a good chance to practice and do internships. However, doing it while you are taking classes is far more reputable.</p>

<p>Double major looks better than CHP. I would assume that since you are an AP/IB student you would be able to comprehend what I am saying by now. CHP is completely useless and you will feel like you are wasting your time. However, please feel free to do what your heart desire as everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I am going to be real with you right now. Your goals in college should be getting good grades but you don’t want to be studying 24/7. Use your free time to go out, network, intern, and work on your applications.</p>

<p>Lastly, I believe I have gave you as much constructive advice as I could. Now, I will give you constructive criticism. Please do not be the kid that thinks he/she is the ***** because you took a rigorous course load during high school. However, like I said, MANY of my friends AND myself have taken a rigorous course load during high school. College was found to be difficult not because of the classes, but you will realize that there is so many distractions that you are not used to. In my freshman year, my goal was to network and meet new people which resulted in frequently ditching classes because I was getting drunk on a daily basis. As a guy, you may feel inclined to want to try bang as many girls as you can. Or as a girl, you may be starting to live up your “sl*t years”. Or you may have joined a fraternity/sorority and be undergoing the pledgeship program. Either way, there is SO MANY things to be doing… don’t waste your freshman year. Having strong social skills is a very reputable trait, and you will be surprised one of your classmates may be able to help you later on. These statements sound so wrong, but as a college senior… I would like to say I’ve seen a lot of crazy stuff happen.</p>

<p>Network as much as you can. Even if you live near home, many of your friends will be going to different schools. It is up to you to start to make new friends as you will find out that as every year passes, you will lose contact with more and more friends from high school. As of right now, I probably speak to only a fifth of my friends in high school. College really is where you will meet a lot of people from various backgrounds and majors. </p>

<p>Finals week is coming up, I will probably not be around here anymore. Good luck and the best of luck to you. BTW asking the same question is utterly useless. I will say it again and as harshly as possible – don’t do CHP and find some better ***** to do with your time.</p>

<p>Thanks so much for all the help. To be totally honest, I’ve been thinking of double majoring in college long before I was even aware of CHP, and I’ll definitely consider your advice.</p>

<p>I get what you mean by it is probably a waste of my time…doing Full Diploma IB has been a waste of my high school time! XD So I wouldn’t want to have “Part 2” of all of that. </p>

<p>Thanks again for everything. Good luck on your finals :)</p>

<p>I couldn’t agree more with @kaotik! Please go out and meet as many people as possible. Join a sorority (i did! its fun and I know at least 5 CHP girls in my sorority that are doing just fine and loving it) or frat! Join a club! Do something! But please don’t just sit in your room and do nothing! and definitely say YES to everything the first week you move in and live in the dorms (go to frat parties, uci events, bonfires, dorm parties, midnight walks, explore the tunnels (i didn’t and i regret it) just do everything week 0. [week zero is f-ing crazy, i wish i could go back] </p>

<p>But also don’t get drunk every night for the whole year (love your liver and your education) or go through a sl-t phase (respect your body and yourself- don’t get some disease please). Its fine to be a little slutty, but don’t go through a phase.</p>

<p>Don’t make partying your #1 priority. Go out, have fun, but don’t forget that you are at college. Someone, if not you, is paying around $5,000 per QUARTER to have to take 4 classes, live in a dorm, and eat. Don’t waste it and get below a 2.0 the first quarter (below a 2.0 you are on academic probation :/). I definitely got a 2.3 the first quarter and **** my pants. Now, second quarter, I don’t party AS much (i still party, sorry bout it), but I definitely schedule in time every week to study and keep up with my work. I also got a job and internship and improved my grades from last quarter because I actually utilized the library this quarter! <3</p>

<p>Wow I sure left this thread >_> LOL</p>

<p>but thanks kaotik and moonstars for the input.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, I will most likely be going to UCSD over UCI (And thus NOT doing CHP), however, your advice will apply nonetheless. Thanks for all of the help :)</p>

<p>Any other input from users is welcome.</p>

<p>Both of my cousins did CHP w/Regents scholarship and both are in medical school. The opportunity to do research was what made it worth it. One had stellar GPA and got into medical school right away after graduating, the other had to wait one year before going to medical school( I think his GPA was like 3.4 @UCI). I hope this bit of information is helpful.</p>