<p>Would Nanook be considered a URM?</p>
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<blockquote> <p>More aggressive? Or just places where more "diverse" candidates choose to apply/matriculate? We are, in the case of Williams, speaking of the "isolated, frozen north," as you so often point out.</p> </blockquote>
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<p>Historically, more aggressive. Swarthmore's "recruiting" connections to the large ethnic NYC public high schools go back quite a ways. For example, their largest benefactor (Eugene Lang '38) was the son of an unemployed immigrant factory worker from Harlem. Swat had reached 10% black enrollment by the early 1980s at a time when Williams was using the funding from the Rockefeller Foundation "10-percenter" program primarily to stock the football team.</p>
<p>Amherst was late to the party, but has been extremely aggressive in affirmative action minority recruiting. </p>
<p>Williams is certainly aggressive with their affirmative action these days. I do think the location hurts. The fact of the matter is that all of the elite colleges are fighting each other over a small number of qualified URM applicants - duking it out with Diversity Days, Rainbow Weekends, and the like. Swat actually has a lower percentage African-American enrollment today than they did 25 years ago as the competition for these students is much fiercer than it was when they were one of the few LACs to aggressively seek diversity. </p>
<p>The fact that the pool of qualified applicants hasn't increased very rapidly could be viewed as a failure of affirmative action, but certainly as a failure of the secondary educational system and/or community focus on educational achievement. For the most part, all of these colleges are fighting over URM kids from "elite" secondary school tracks. </p>
<p>Swat does have the advantage of drawing from urban public high schools in Philadelphia, Baltimore, DC., etc. whereas Williams lacks a natural geographic base for urban public high school recruiting.</p>
<p>I was wondering whether or not the minorities or a particular ethnic group "mix" well with the rest of the student body or do they tend to segregate themselves?</p>
<p>Who is applying to Williams ED? I did...</p>
<p>sent my recommendations and stuff.. sending apps tommorow</p>
<p>hopemanjkjk where are you from?</p>
<p>I am from Austin, TX.. where no one ever heard of Williams College hahaha. I am international student though</p>
<p>hey hopeman im also applying ED as international (but i live in florida now), good luck</p>
<p>are there any Pakistanis in Williams? A good number of South Asians or no? Thanks for your feedback guyz!</p>
<p>omg how can you apply to Williams? I visited it for free through their multicultural program, and it was kinda depressing.</p>
<p>I love the people there; they're nice and friendly! and cute too. The teachers are interesting, but my goodness, the labs are ridiculously horrible. I guess i'm biased because the last lab I worked in was at Harvard Med.</p>
<p>THe city is BORING. If you're a city boy like me, don't even bother. Its downtown is like LITERALLY 3 blocks. You can walk down it in less than 5 minutes. Everything is closed at 10. All the kids do is smoke and drink there.</p>
<p>i'm a hypocrite. i'm applying to williams as a safety. liberal arts in the middle of nowhere just doesn't appeal to me. Applying is not that great of an effort though; it uses the common app like Harvard, and it sends me a fee waiver. So all I need to do is get it into the mailbox.</p>
<p>Safety... huh? I don't know.. I applied to Williams College instead of Cornell and such because I wanted to avoid arrogant people like you (I read many posts of yours). Of course, working in RSI, and getting grants are truly impressive ECs, but you gotta realize there are numerous better, smarter people who can, unlike you, refrain themselves from showing off.</p>
<p>yada yada yada, don't make the implication that because i said it's my safety school that i'm arrogant. I don't want to start that stupid argument again. It's people like you who are insecure, going around labeling me as an egoist because of your lack of confidence. pft. What makes you think I don't realize that there are people out there better than i am? HAH, ridiculous. another assumption. RSI was a humbling experience because I met so many more talented, smarter, and creative people.</p>
<p>so let's see...2 assumptions that you've made in one sentence:
"I applied to Williams College instead of Cornell and such because I wanted to avoid arrogant people like you "
1. stereotypical of you to say that ivy league students are arrogant.
2. you assumed I am arrogant because I called Williams my safety.</p>
<p>'It's people like you who are insecure, going around labeling me as an egoist' hahaha... what is this stupid assumption that you made... lol why the heck do you think I feel insecure? you don't even know my stat!!
Why do I think you are arrogant? Just make other people read your other posts! (eg. you always seem to emphasize the fact that you moved from Vietnam 10 years ago, running away from hunger and that crap..... Dude I moved here 4.5 years ago because of the International Monetary Fund crisis in S.Korea)</p>
<p>I do apologize for my streotype of Ivy league schools students. However, I was soo turned down when I visited Princeton Univerisity, just like you were when you visited Williams College (the eating club at Princeton just gave me a horrible impression).</p>
<p>I am sorry if I overreacted. Internet is not a very good place to assume other people's personalities.</p>
<p>Still, I agree... Williams and MIT should be your safety schools (Everyone I know who got into RSI got into MIT).. its just that be more considerate of your 'lesser' peers.</p>
<p>I'ma pplying to Williams!!</p>
<p>staticsoliloquy...tell me where u get in, so i'll never have to run into u. But honestly...if u're not arrogant, y do u come onto the Williams thread just to everyone that it's your safety? Good luck on all ur apps...with your arrogance, u'll need all the luck in the world.</p>
<p>see hopemanjkjk...you started this whole "let's hate on him" bash.</p>
<p>ugh stupid cncm. get over yourself. hopeman already admit that he is wrong. and you're defending his hasty-made opinion. so what does that make you?</p>
<p>and trust me, we won't run into each other. I'd rather gourge my eyes out than speak to you.</p>
<p>hello, it's CC, i can go to any post I want. I came on here asking "WHY THE HECK do people want to go to williams?" it's a legitimate question is it not? Everyone else talk about his or her safety. don't singled me out just because my safety ISNT a state university. grow up.</p>
<p>and let me point out to you cncm, that everyone in the world knows that a rickoid's safety is MIT and williams. you may have notice that i did not mention MIT being my safety in the original post. If i were arrogant, as you wrongfully labeled me to be so, then I would have posted that. </p>
<p>I don't need luck. thus i pass that luck back to you because you're an international, and it'll be more tough for you. trust me, you need it more than i do. I worked hard through 4 yrs, and I'm going to make it no matter what school I go to. Nothing this year can dampen my spirit. not even a rejection from harvard.</p>
<p>people have different opinions about different colleges. hopefulman didn't like princeton. i hated williams. </p>
<p>because you were so spiteful, i leave you with..i'll pray for you</p>
<p>well, staticsoliloquy, i know that you can probably get into most colleges in US without much problem, with exceptions of Harvard, Yale, Princeton.</p>
<p>we are not angry because you said you didn't like williams college. Most williams acceptees all visit the campus before (90%+ according to the adcoms). We apply & enroll because isolation, small city scape, and mountian views appeal to us.</p>
<p>However, saying that certain school is your safety is not prudent.. especially to schools of high caliber. Whether it is a fact or not isn't a concern.. the important thing is that it is rude to do so, and people hate it (Do that to JHU or Cornell board, and you will feel much bigger hatred). </p>
<p>CNCM has a valid point.. schools like HYP will not tolerate such attitude (Personal quality is considered as much as SAT, ECs, Talents, School records).. you better not show such attidude infront of interviews. (But I am sure you are smart enough to know that)</p>
<p>if i dont remember, wasn't it you that agreed with me and said williams and MIT are my safety too? So really, what is your argument whether I state the obvious or you do? It doesn't make me any less arrogant in the eyes of people like cncm who totally based my character on one simple line "william is my safety." Utterly absurd. That's a pretty significant judgment already, wouldnt you agree?</p>
<p>This is such a stupid cycle that keeps repeating. Hey well guess what? Lots of rickoids don't even bother to look at the LAC, i'm ACTUALLY applying to it just for fun. In fact, one of my friend from Maine is only applying to Stanford and Yale.</p>
<p>You might think Williams is of "high caliber," but I have my own opinion to what type of school it is too. Therefore, I can say anything I want.</p>
<p>Dude, let's put a frame around this argument all right. You can say i'm an arrogant little b.astard all you want because it really doesn't matter. You know what? Now that I've been called that. I'll just have fun with it. </p>
<p>keep on bashing</p>
<p>now since you already labeled me wrong, i'll just say more stuff to p!ss you off because it's entertaining.</p>
<p>i hope i get into williams so cncm can't.</p>