<p>Saw some Corps of Cadet composition numbers today and the Class of 2010 is hanging in there. </p>
<p>As of August, 1259 of the original 1311 cadets are still at USMA (52 have separated). That compares favorably to the Class of 2009 which had 63 plebes separate during the same timeframe. Historically, about 5% of each class drops before the academic year starts in August. Ultimately, about 75% of each class graduates.</p>
<p>C/O 2010 also has the highest rate of passing APFT since the early 90's with around 95%</p>
<p>And that could be because of the change from the PAE to the CFA.</p>
<p>What's PAE & CFA?</p>
<p>The CFA is the Candidate Fitness Assessment which was used for the class of 2010. Prior to this test, applicants took the PAE which was slightly different. It did not include the run and there are other changes I don't recall. Perhaps somebody else can provide the comparison.</p>
<p>Is there any data on why cadets have separated from West Point? I am curious if the percentage of cadets that have separated from West Point is consistant with the separation percentages at the Air Force and Naval Academies.</p>
<p>As far as I know there have been no true "seperations" from the academy by 2010 cadets. However there have been more than 50 cadets who decided that West Point was not for them and resigned and one cadet who was also allowed to resign after going AWOL during Beast.</p>
<p>he went AWOL during chaplain's time!!! CHAPLAIN'S TIME?!?!?!For those who dont know what chaplains time is its wehn all the new cadets get to go to their prospective church or chapel and after a brief service, eat allthe sweets they want</p>
<p>FWDAD:</p>
<p>I haven't seen any published information classifying the reasons for separation/resignation. Here are my personal observations based on various discussions with parents and cadets. The estimated attrition rates are based on numbers I have gathered for the Classes of 2006 -2010.</p>
<p>End of Beast - about 5% of class drops. Some due to injuries but most due to decision that USMA is not what they were expecting/wanting.</p>
<p>End of 1st semester(Christmas break) - another 5% drops. Some have academic problems but most decide that USMA is not what they want. They feel they have given it a fair shot by staying a semester.</p>
<p>End of 2nd semester - 2-3% drop. Mostly academic and physical separations. </p>
<p>End of 2nd Year - 6-8% drop. This is the last point that cadets have to depart USMA without a financial or service obligation. Some are based on academic/physical issues, but most of the group leaving have decided they do not want to take on the service obligation.</p>
<p>If you've been counting that adds up to about a 20% attrition during the first two year (Class of 2007 had a 21% rate and Class of 2008 had an 18% rate). </p>
<p>About 5% more cadets separate during the final two years. I think most of those are due to academic, physical and a few behavioral problems. That adds up to about 25% attrition on average (Class of 2004 was 21% while Class of 2006 was 27%). Class of 2007 has a 23% attrition rate as of August 2006.</p>
<p>By comparision, I believe the USNA and Air Force has four year attrition rates closer to 20%.</p>
<p>Before you think these are high. The Class of 1977 had the highest attrition rate during the last 35 years with 48%. During the 70's the attrition rate averaged in the 35-40 % range. Navy and Air Force had similarly higher rates during that period.</p>
<p>momoftwins, we (2010) have the highest rate of passing the APFT of any recent class. The APFT is not the CFA or the PAE, and it's not affected by the switch.</p>
<p>The APFT is 2 minutes of push ups, then 2 minutes of sit ups, then a 2 mile run.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, and that kid totally did go AWOL during Chaplain's time, I was there. Clever idea, except for the fact he was still in the middle of West Point.</p>
<p>skirbyy - </p>
<p>I think MOT was alluding to the fact that the new CFA highlights applicants who can't run (unlike the PAE) by adding the mile run...hopefully screening them out in advance.</p>
<p>skirbyy,</p>
<p>KateLewis is correct. Since the CFA includes the run that was not a part of the PAE, those applicants who just can't run will not pass the test. Or they will train harder in order to pass. The fact that the class of 2010 had the highest rate of passing the APFT is an indicator that the change in screening tests worked.</p>
<p>I doubt the result was a change in screening and more a result of the hard work of the CBT cadre.</p>
<p>The class of 2010 had the highest failure rate in recent years on the initial APFT taken on 29-30 August - more than 50% failures - the CFA would have had a better effect on this if it was truly the cause of the high passing rate.</p>
<p>The APFT taken at the end of Beast was after hard physical conditioning in the hands of the cadre, both officially and conducted in the barracks where the 50% failures were turned into 5% failures.</p>
<p>Yea, I suppose it was illegal conditioning in the barracks, considering the fact that many people were relieved for doing just that... Two guys in my Company were; what a joke.</p>
<p>it was hardly illegal. and the people who went overboard and were relieved were part of a miniscule minority, though no crimes were committed as you seem to be suggesting.</p>
<p>"I doubt the result was a change in screening and more a result of the hard work of the CBT cadre."
"it was hardly illegal. and the people who went overboard and were relieved were part of a miniscule minority, though no crimes were committed as you seem to be suggesting."</p>
<p>Welcome coldfyre556: Were you one of the CBT cadre this year?</p>
<p>The important thing is that the "abuses" were identified and the "abusers" were disciplined. Whether it was one or ten individuals involved, I am sure that WP considers the issue serious enough to deal with. I don't remember anyone ever saying or suggesting "crimes" were committed, merely that some abuse of power took place that was corrected by the supervising officers/NCO's.</p>
<p>Coldfyre, so you're saying that conditioning besides during PT was allowed? Then why did they get relieved for it? Don't get me wrong, I think it's atrocious that it wasn't allowed, but you might as well give the point that it wasn't allowed, at least not after the first two weeks.</p>
<p>"I think it's atrocious that it wasn't allowed"
If it is any consolation, most of the new cadets that I have spoken to felt the same way and would have preferred physical conditioning as correction during Beast. However, I think the upperclassmen made up for it during reorgy week, and some companies still don't get too much laundry out ;)</p>
<p>marines, i'm telling you that you're wrong. stop arguing with it.
physical corrective training within the barracks was perfectly legitimate. nobody was doing any wrong by making you drop for your mistakes or the hallway stuff at night.
a tiny group of people (2 that i know of) were relieved for violating the requirements - that it be in an open area, not behind closed doors, stuff like that. there was one serious case in G Company that resulted in the stop of corrective PT for about a week while they made sure that everybody knew the standards. but during that time the organized barracks PT was still fine.</p>