Class of 2014: Do you drink?

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<p>First, overconsumption of resveratrol is unlikely if your source of it is wine. Most red wines won’t exceed 3.2 mg/L of resveratrol. While there is no recommended daily dose of resveratrol supplementation in humans, the website that you linked seems to suggest 20 mg as a starting point. Thus, one must drink over 6 liters of wine in a day just to reach the recommended starting dose.</p>

<p>You also falsely identify resveratrol as the beneficial compound found in red wine. Resveratrol is one beneficial compound found in red wine. The other is alcohol, which, by itself, decreases blood clotting, reduces blood pressure, reduces coronary artery spasm, and increases coronary blood flow, among other things. </p>

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<p>Source? If you’re talking about "red wine headache,’ there’s no conclusive evidence to date about its cause. </p>

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<p>This is true. Your liver prioritizes the processing of alcohol, thus causing glucose to be processed into triglycerides. Though again, we have to consider dosage. Moderate consumption of alcohol is probably unlikely to drastically increase your triglyceride level, and its detrimental effect on your health must be weighed against its benefits.</p>

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<p>Thanks for pointing out how taking in calories leads to weight gain. We are all very surprised. </p>

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<p>This is a straw-man argument. No one is supporting the health benefits of being M.C. Hammered, we are debating the health effects of moderate and responsible consumption of alcohol. Alcohol’s contribution to “homicide” deserves no place in this discussion.</p>

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<p>I’d like to see how this statistic was produced, and how it was measured.</p>

<p>You can start drinking from 16…</p>

<p>^ That depends on the country doesn’t it?</p>

<p>I find it strange that the US has such a high drinking age, here in New Zealand the legal age is 18 (although many teens drink before they reach the age) and the same for Australia.</p>

<p>I haven’t yet decided between Harvard and my other options, but wherever I end up I won’t be drinking.</p>

<p>You guys. Stop drinking milk. Even skim milk. If you follow recommended guidelines and consume 3 glasses of milk, that’s 240 calories! If you don’t increase your physical activity, you could gain 25 lbs a year! Because you’re consuming an extra 87,600 CALORIES!!! Milk is evil!</p>

<p>Oh dear, this thread is just going down the tubes.</p>

<p>I live my life for beer pong. And will most likely be attending Harvard University.</p>

<p>I drink - the legal drinking age is 18 here in the UK but I’ve gone out clubbing/to house parties for years. I even have a part-time job as a barmaid. It’ll be weird to be knocked back again after having got so used to having ID and no problems. Over here, university life goes hand in hand with drinking.
Alcohol isn’t everything, of course. I’m glad to see theres a decent mix of drinkers and non drinkers heading to Harvard this autumn!</p>

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<p>I agree. Due to my 21-hour absence from these forums, let’s back up a bit.</p>

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<p>All consumed substances do not hold an equal biological impact. To clarify my point, it has a far more damaging effect than can simply be understood from leading the nutritional label. Alcohol disrupts the body’s natural energy balance by upsetting lipid oxidation (fat metabolism, or simply reducing the number of calories burned), increasing appetite, and lowering testosterone levels ([Why</a> Alcohol Calories Are More Important Than You Think](<a href=“http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/research/alcohol.htm]Why”>Does Alcohol Make You Fat? Here's the Science)). </p>

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<p>I do not find 1.8 million deaths to be completely dismissible. Moreover, “harm” is not necessarily measured exclusively through death rate. Alcohol issues are certain to affect a greater extent of the population simply because it is more prevalent. Nearly two-thirds of the nation’s population report drinking alcoholic beverages whereas a mere one-fifth smokes ([Percent</a> who drink beverage alcohol, by gender, 1939?2008.](<a href=“http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/Resources/DatabaseResources/QuickFacts/AlcoholConsumption/PercentAlcoholGender.htm]Percent”>http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/Resources/DatabaseResources/QuickFacts/AlcoholConsumption/PercentAlcoholGender.htm)) ([The</a> Percentage of U.S. Adults Who Smoke Continues to Decline](<a href=“http://www.emaxhealth.com/58/2239.html]The”>http://www.emaxhealth.com/58/2239.html)). </p>

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<p>I completed some basic arithmetic from some statistics that I will list in a following post. If you have the ambition, you may calculate the number yourself. I attempted to avoid duplication from categories that may possibly include the same cases, but similar (yet different) categorical classification certainly does not generate complete overlap. For that reason, I kept my number on the conservative side. But it could very well be much higher depending on the number of cases that may be characterized as “suffering physical, emotion, or social ills due to the effects of alcohol” and whether the harms merely evaluate current afflictions or over the course of an entire lifetime. </p>

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<p>The source that I listed at the bottom of Post #59. Red wine accumulates inflammatory biochemical compounds such as histamines and tannins due to the prolonged exposure of the grape skin during fermentation, which, as scientific evidence suggests, directly causes migraines.</p>

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<p>Please do not turn this into an elementary-level sarcasm affair. There is no need to resort to scorn or mockery to convey any intentions. In fact, it is quite discourteous and disdainful from a discussion standpoint to do so. In response to these, see one of the first points of this post.</p>

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<p>Not really. Just as enumerating the purported, yet admittedly minimal, health benefits of alcohol is suitable, I have the full right to announce and lament the disastrous individual, domestic, and societal effects of consumption (which I will in the following post), which are not entirely exclusive from the drinking behavior on a college campus.</p>

<p>In fact, pressing the issue of tuna’s prospective health dangers is far more divergent from the initial scope of this thread than those of alcohol. </p>

<p>Also, the discussion of red wine, in particular, is quite tangential itself, since wine is not the most readily abused substance among college students.</p>

<p>Furthermore, don’t dispute the reality that alcohol abuse is a serious national concern or state that most young individuals always attempt to drink responsibly – because they don’t. Among high school seniors who have consumed alcoholic beverages, four-fifths have abused it (see fourth bullet-point below). Although students who eagerly anticipate and eventually participate in the drunken revelries in college will ultimately do as they please, I do hope that they realize how dim it is to base a college decision on what is perceived as the “better” drinking/drug culture. But deplorably, the transparency of the caustic and insidious effects of alcohol abuse is not readily understood until a fair portion of pertinent (yet very unsettling) data, facts, and information is explicitly articulated. (The information enumerated below is courtesy of alcohol-information.com):</p>

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[li]Employees who were in serious trouble with alcohol showed significant improvement in drinking behavior and job adjustment during the months immediately following an intervention to confront problem drinking that was intruding on their work.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]A study of fifth and sixth-grade students found that those who demonstrated an awareness of beer ads also held more favorable beliefs about drinking and intended to drink more frequently when they grew up.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]An estimated 6.6 million children under 18 live in households with at least one alcoholic parent.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]By the time they are high school seniors, 80% have used alcohol and 62% have been drunk.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]In the United States, roughly 50,000 cases of alcohol poisoning are reported each year, and approximately once every week, someone dies from this preventable condition.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]Classical alcoholism takes about 15 years to develop, but it can happen much quicker in adolescents and young adults.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]Treatment for alcoholism has been shown to reduce criminal activity up to 80% among chronic offenders, has increased their rate of employment, decreases homelessness and reduces all health care costs.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]In 2002, U.S. alcoholism statistics reported that 2.6 million binge drinkers were between the ages of 12 and 17.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]In the United States, almost three times as many men (9.8 million) as women (3.9 million) abuse alcohol or are alcohol-dependent.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]56% of students in grades 5 through 12 say that alcohol advertising encourages them to drink.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]Alcoholism and alcohol abuse are the third-leading cause of the preventable deaths in the United States.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]Statistics reveal that for American employers, alcohol abuse accounts for roughly 67% of total number of substance abuse complaints.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]Children who are drinking alcohol by 7th grade are more likely to report academic problems, substance use, and delinquent behavior in both middle school and high school.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]Alcoholism and Alcohol Abuse Statistics. According to U.S. drunk driving statistics and statistics on alcohol abuse, in 2001, more than half a million people were injured in crashes where police reported that alcohol was present. This is an average of one individual injured roughly every two minutes. This must be one of the better referenced alcohol abuse statistics by members of MADD.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]Approximately 14 million people in the United States are addicted to alcohol or abuse alcohol.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]Alcoholics spend four times the amount of time in a hospital as non-drinkers, mostly from drinking-related injuries.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]65 people each day die on our highways due to alcohol.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]It is estimated that over 3 million teens between the ages of 14 and 17 in the United States today are alcoholics.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]Approximately 14 million Americans — about 7.4 percent of the adult population — meet the diagnostic criteria for alcohol abuse or alcoholism.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]Girls are beginning to drink at younger ages. In the 1960s, 7% of 10- to 14-year-old females used alcohol; by the early 1990’s, that figure had risen to 31%.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]More than seven percent of the population ages 18 years and older – nearly 13.8 million Americans – have problems with drinking, including 8.1 million people who suffer from alcoholism.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]In 1988, 25,000 Americans were killed in auto accidents involving alcohol. More than 500,000 were injured.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]Studies have shown that the drinking patterns of employed women are different from those of women not employed outside the home, with less abstinence, increased consumption and greater frequency of drinking occasions observed among employed women.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]Long-term, heavy alcohol use is the leading cause of illness and death from liver disease in the U.S.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]According to alcoholism and alcohol abuse statistics, the number of people in the U.S. who have a “drinking problem,” meaning that they engage in abusive drinking or are alcohol dependent is clearly off the charts. These statistics on alcohol abuse and alcoholism statistics strongly support the perception that the U.S. is facing an alcohol abuse/alcoholism problem of enormous proportions and that alcoholism and alcohol abuse are incredibly widespread.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]The cost of untreated drug and alcohol abuse in the U.S. in a year is estimated at $276 Billion in lost productivity, law enforcement costs, health care and welfare programs.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]Drunk drivers are responsible for 50% of highway fatalities.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]95% of alcoholics die from their disease and die approximately 26 years earlier than their normal life expectancy.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]There are approximately 14 million people in the United States addicted to alcohol and millions more who display symptoms of abuse, including binge drinking.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]Currently, approximately 14 million Americans, 1 in every 13 adults, abuse alcohol or are alcoholic.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]There are higher rates of alcoholism in the unemployed, laborers, those of lower socioeconomic status, those that drop out of high school, those who entered college but failed to earn a degree, and those under more stress.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]More than one-half of American adults have a close family member who has or has had alcoholism.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]Alcohol is a factor in nearly half of America’s murders, suicides and accidental deaths.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]The highest rates of current and past year heavy alcohol use are reported by workers in the following occupations: construction, food preparation and waiters/waitresses, along with auto mechanics, vehicle repairers, light truck drivers and laborers.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]Twenty one percent of workers reported being injured or put in danger, having to re-do work or to cover for a co-worker or needing to work harder due to others’ drinking.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]Up to 40% of industrial fatalities and 47% of injuries in the workplace are linked to alcohol consumption and alcoholism.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]Non-alcoholic members of alcoholic’s families use 10 times as much sick leave as families where alcohol is not a problem. 80% of these family members report their ability to perform work is impaired as a result of living with an alcohol abuser.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]Absenteeism among alcoholics or problem drinkers is 3.8 to 8.3 times greater than normal.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]More than three fourths of female victims of nonfatal, domestic violence reported that their assailant had been drinking or using drugs.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]Underage drinking costs Americans nearly $53 billion annually. If this cost were shared equally by each congressional district, the amount would total more than $120 million per district.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]Individuals in stable marriages have the lowest incidence of lifetime prevalence of alcoholism ( 8.9%) as opposed to co-habiting adults who have never been married (29.2%).</p>[/li]
<p>[li]More than one third of pedestrians killed by automobiles were legally drunk.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]500,000 Americans who are dependent on alcohol are between the ages of 9 and 12.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]Low to moderate doses of alcohol can increase the incidence of a variety of aggressive acts, including domestic violence and child abuse.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]About half of state prison inmates and 40% of federal prisoners incarcerated for committing violent crimes report they were under the influence of alcohol or drugs at the time of their offense.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]Research indicates that adolescents who abuse alcohol may remember 10% less of what they have learned than those who don’t drink.</p>[/li]
<p>[*]According to alcohol abuse statistics, recent chemical dependency research, and alcoholism statistics, more than forty percent of corporate CEOs who responded to a particular survey stated that the use and abuse of drugs and alcohol by employees costs the company between 1% to 10% of its annual payroll. Think about this for a moment. Up to 10% of a company’s profits are lost each year due to alcohol and drug abuse. It is statistics on alcohol abuse and drug abuse like these that guarantee the increased implementation of drug and alcohol testing and screening in the U.S. workplace—a trend, by the way, that should continue for the foreseeable future. [/ul]</p>

<p>Despite the reality that a basic public awareness of the destructive effects of alcohol has been known for some centuries, alcohol abuse only continues to increase and it will persevere as a substantial fraction of the college population (four-fifths) actively consumes it. </p>

<p>Here are more statistics that exclusively apply to the alarming troubles associated with college drinking: <a href=“http://www.madd.org/docs/college%20statistics.pdf[/url]”>http://www.madd.org/docs/college%20statistics.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Documented effects on the brain: [What</a> are the effects of alcohol on the brain?: Scientific American](<a href=“What are the effects of alcohol on the brain? - Scientific American”>What are the effects of alcohol on the brain? - Scientific American)</p>

<p>In addition, for most students, alcohol consumption will be illegal for the majority of their college careers. While I do not ideologically favor laws that restrict individual welfare and self-determinism, I am a supporter of stringencies that institute standards designed to protect citizens from personal hazards and heighten self-accountability for the collective good.</p>

<p>And many, including myself, have a host personal reasons for not choosing to drink whether it be health reasons, cognizance of individual responsibilities, moral and personal obligations, the futility of its entertainment, and/or a broad aversion to the overall attitudes of the culture that pursues the endeavor. I personally will not use alcohol for the simple reason that I do not find its inclusion into my diet or social functions necessary for the pursuit of a healthy, fulfilling, or enjoyable lifestyle. I feel that I can speak for others who hold a similar - and frankly, a more enlightened - outlook.</p>

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<p>The good news is that I’ve identified why your argument is so poor, and that is because it’s mainly copypasted from from sites like CBC news articles and “emaxfitness.” </p>

<p>There is no credible evidence to suggest that histamines contribute to migraines. If you’d like some evidence that shows they don’t, take a look at a study published in the Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology, Volume 107, Issue 2, pp 375-378.</p>

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<p>It’s discourteous of you to disrespect the intellect of posters on this website by arguing against moderate consumption of alcohol by citing its number of calories. By presenting such an odious argument you are opening yourself up to “scorn” and “mockery” indeed. </p>

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<p>No, it is a straw-man. Again, we are arguing the pros and cons of moderate consumption of alcohol. When you say you are “announcing” the “disastrous” effects of “consumption,” please specify the degree of “consumption” of which you’re speaking. To not do so is intellectually dishonest.</p>

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<p>I see the point was lost on you. The reference to tuna illuminated the idea that dosage, not substance, is operative in determining the detrimental health effects of both alcohol and mercury consumption alike. Your original assertion, way back before you started producing absurdities disguised by annoyingly faux-intellectual diction, was that alcohol adversely affects the brain. My contention, which you have yet to disprove, is that alcohol in large dosage is what adversely affects the brain. Alcohol in small dosage does not cause significant damage. For the same reason, no one gets in a fuss when they walk across a busy street and get trace whiffs on carbon monoxide. </p>

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<p>Yeah, I don’t know who brought it into discussion, but I was going to point out the same. The good news is that small intake of alcohol is still beneficial to your health even without the characteristic elements of red wine, as I argued earlier and you have chosen to ignore.</p>

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<p>I agree completely. As the child of an alcoholic parent I can personally attest to the dangers of alcohol abuse. To refute moderation by citing abuse, you are being intellectually dishonest.</p>

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<p>Well, my statements are not copied and pasted in the sense of plagiarism, since I am merely communicating the results with my own words and citing the contributions. The names may not seem to be the most credible sources but they support their arguments through the findings from reputable journal publications.</p>

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<p>Yet other scientific studies and reports demonstrate the opposite findings. </p>

<p>[Migraine</a> Headache, Abstracts from the Medcial Literature<a href=“%5Bi%5D“It%20has%20been%20demonstrated%20fairly%20conclusively%20that%20increased%20histamine%20levels%20correlate%20with%20migraine%20attacks%20in%20susceptible%20persons.%20Recent%20studies%20showing%20that%20histamine%20seems%20to%20have%20many%20different%20receptors%20and%20to%20adopt%20different%20conformations%20for%20different%20receptors%20may%20serve%20as%20a%20useful%20guide%20to%20future%20scientific%20investigation.%20Further%20impetus%20may%20come%20from%20ongoing%20studies%20of%20H3%20histamine%20receptors,%20which%20indicate%20that%20H3%20agonists%20offer%20promise%20as%20prophylactic%20agents%20for%20people%20who%20suffer%20from%20vascular%20headaches.”%5B/i%5D”>/url</a></p>

<p>[url=<a href=“http://www.restoreunity.org/migraines.htm]Migraines”>http://www.restoreunity.org/migraines.htm]Migraines</a> ~ Headaches](<a href=“http://www.nutramed.com/headache/migraineref.htm]Migraine”>http://www.nutramed.com/headache/migraineref.htm)</p>

<p>[Migraine</a> - Naturopathic Treatment - neurologychannel](<a href=“http://www.neurologychannel.com/migraine/naturalmedicine.shtml]Migraine”>http://www.neurologychannel.com/migraine/naturalmedicine.shtml)</p>

<p>[Histamine</a> induces migraine via the H1-receptor. Su… [Neuroreport. 1995] - PubMed result](<a href=“http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7579128]Histamine”>Histamine induces migraine via the H1-receptor. Support for the NO hypothesis of migraine - PubMed) </p>

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<p>I take far greater concern with alcohol consumption than merely its number of calories. But obviously, stating that moderate consumption is sensible or even desirable is not a particularly stable argument since that is not uniformly advisable to all segments of the population and fails to consider specific circumstances. In addition, any alleged health benefits from alcohol itself are obtainable through other means. </p>

<p>Surprisingly, there seems to not be a wealth of published scientific study on the adolescent brain’s sensitivity to alcohol ingestion. But it is commonly cited and agreed upon that the adolescent’s brain responds differently to the effects of alcohol than that of an adult. However, in one study, a single dose of alcohol impaired learning among subjects in their early 20s more substantially than those in their late 20s, denoting apparent effects in sensitivity regarding the point in the brain maturation process ([Opposing</a> Views: A Neuroscientist’s Response](<a href=“http://www.opposingviews.com/counters/a-neuroscientist-s-response]Opposing”>http://www.opposingviews.com/counters/a-neuroscientist-s-response)). </p>

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<p>What do you mean by “dosage, not substance?” The combination of the particular compound along with its dosage influences whatever health effects.</p>

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<p>Alcohol in large dosage does negatively affect the brain and other organs. This is particularly critical for the adolescent and young adult population, whose brains are continuing to mature. ([ALCOHOL’S</a> DAMAGING EFFECTS ON THE BRAIN](<a href=“http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/aa63/aa63.htm]ALCOHOL’S”>http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/aa63/aa63.htm))</p>

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<p>For many people, it is true that damage exists along a spectrum to the extent of the amount consumed. However, absolute alcohol intolerance is emphatically true for some individuals, in which small dosages will actually cause substantive harm. </p>

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<p>I am referring to the prevalence of alcohol abuse, which is encountered at some point for most drinkers. Very few young individuals who drink, as cited in the body of figures above, uniformly exercise the proper judgment. College binge drinking culture and the social compulsion of group conformity largely precludes rational thought. Likewise, moderate consumption is a precarious scenario since, first and foremost, alcohol is a drug – and many can rapidly develop addiction and eventual dependency. Modest quantities of a substance basically initiate all drug addictions and “moderate” drug habits often escalate into more serious issues.</p>

<p>this debate going on right here–this is why i drink.</p>

<p>Amen to chair2. </p>

<p>I’m a bored class of 2013’er, and I drank before college and during my freshman year. Many people began drinking their freshman year who had never drank before. However, there is a definite mix- some people go out every weekend, while others never drink at all.</p>

<p>Here’s a funny story- one of my friends chose basically chose Harvard because of alcohol. He had been going around the HYP prefrosh circuit with a bottle of vodka in his suitcase, but hadn’t gotten to drink any. He visited Harvard with me, and we found a great party. He had an awesome time, and now we are both Harvard class of 2013</p>

<p>I believe I shall drink - in moderation, of course. What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.</p>

<p>I drink as well. I mean you guys are in college. Lighten up a little.</p>

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<p>haha. Offsetting positions, no?</p>

<p>And I just happened in on this thread…I go to UW-Madison (#1, just not in academics), and even here some students don’t drink. I’m sure you non-drinkers won’t have a problem.</p>

<p>Are all Harvard kids as ■■■■■■■■ as mifune and DwightEisenhower?</p>

<p>The world is yours, and you sit on an internet forum arguing about alcohol, which is for the most part a subjective matter.</p>