<p>Here is an interesting link from the Admission forum.</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1085580-wash-u-st-louis-really-top-tier-school.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1085580-wash-u-st-louis-really-top-tier-school.html</a></p>
<p>17 people from my school applied this year. Pretty much all the application numbers for top colleges have either doubled or tripled at my school. I hope these universities weed out those applicants who are just applying for the sake of it, and focus more on those who truly want to attend. I have a ton of friends who applied to Duke and other similar schools at the last minute, and don’t know anything about these schools.</p>
<p>I wonder how the guidance offices in the high schools are dealing with the increased application numbers. It seems as if they have double the number going out than 10 years ago. And even though the same recommendation and transcript goes out to each school, it takes additional manpower hours to get all that material out.</p>
<p>goodluck everyone.</p>
<p>sorry, I meant wash u just posted their decisions…am such a nervous mom I can’t even write right now!</p>
<p>Just checked for my D- she was waitlisted. Now seems to be a good time to check b/c the pathway was not slow at all. Good luck to everyone!</p>
<p>QUESTION: Does anybody get denied, or i everybody waitlisted?</p>
<p>Yes I know two people who were rejected.</p>
<p>^^ seems like more people are being waitlisted rather than being flat out rejected.</p>
<p>^This is also CC. The average student here is very qualified. In addition, rejected students are the least likely to post their decisions.</p>
<p>Fair points, thanks!</p>
<p>Anybody know the actual numbers from last year?</p>
<p>And correct me if I’m wrong but nobody was pulled of the waitlist last year right?</p>
<p>Also, I hear people get waitlisted b/c of the “tufts syndrome” so to speak. For instance, last year three of my friends were waitlisted who now attend Stanford, UChicago, & Dartmouth.Opinions on this?</p>
<p>2009 admissions data
Source: [College</a> Profiles](<a href=“http://collegeapps.about.com/od/collegeprofiles/College_Profiles.htm]College”>College Profiles)</p>
<p>scores given in 25th / 75th percentile format</p>
<p>Washington University in St. Louis
SAT Critical Reading: 680 / 750
SAT Math: 710 / 780</p>
<p>Harvard
SAT Critical Reading: 690 / 780
SAT Math: 690 / 790</p>
<p>MIT
SAT Critical Reading: 650 / 760
SAT Math: 720 / 800</p>
<p>Dartmouth
SAT Critical Reading: 660 / 770
SAT Math: 670 / 780</p>
<p>Brown
SAT Critical Reading: 650 / 760
SAT Math: 670 / 770</p>
<p>Princeton
SAT Critical Reading: 690 / 790
SAT Math: 700 / 790</p>
<p>Yale
SAT Critical Reading: 700 / 800
SAT Math: 700 / 780</p>
<p>Columbia
SAT Critical Reading: 680 / 770
SAT Math: 680 / 780</p>
<p>Cornell
SAT Critical Reading: 630 / 730
SAT Math: 660 / 770</p>
<p>UPenn
SAT Critical Reading: 660 / 750
SAT Math: 690 / 780</p>
<p>U Chicago
SAT Critical Reading: 690 / 780
SAT Math: 680 / 780</p>
<p>Stanford
SAT Critical Reading: 660 / 760
SAT Math: 680 / 780</p>
<p>Using the 25th percentile first and 75th as a tie breaker.</p>
<p>Reading: (1) Yale > (2) Princeton > (3) Harvard = (3) U Chicago > (5) Columbia > (6) WashU > (7) Dartmouth > (8) Stanford > (9) UPenn > (10) Brown = (10) MIT > (12) Cornell</p>
<p>Math: (1) MIT > (2) WashU > (3) Princeton > (4) Yale > (5) Harvard > (6) UPenn > (7) Columbia = (7) U Chicago = (7) Stanford > (10) Dartmouth > (11) Brown > (12) Cornell</p>
<p>School: Reading rank, Math Rank = Average Rank ((readingR + mathR) / 2)
In order from highest test score rank to lowest.</p>
<p>Yale: 1, 4 = 2 1/2
Princeton: 2, 3 = 2 1/2</p>
<p>Harvard: 3, 5 = 4
WashU: 6, 2 = 4</p>
<p>U Chicago: 3, 7 = 5</p>
<p>MIT: 10, 1 = 5 1/2</p>
<p>Columbia: 5, 7 = 6</p>
<p>Stanford: 8,7 = 7 1/2
UPenn: 9, 6 = 7 1/2</p>
<p>Dartmouth: 7, 10 = 8 1/2</p>
<p>Brown: 10, 11 = 10 1/2</p>
<p>Cornell: 12 ,12 = 12</p>
<p>I.E. Not Tufts syndrome.</p>
<p>In no way shape or form does that indicate a lack of “Tufts” Syndrome…</p>
<p>I’m curious (and maybe I missed it in previous posts) but was anyone accepted who was deferred in the ED round?</p>
<p>@amosk, correct, no one was pulled from the waitlist last year. that’s because they underestimated their yield and overenrolled.</p>
<p>Also, I can’t help but think that a Stanford student who didn’t get into Wash U is a victim of Tufts Syndrome. There’s no arguing that Stanford is significantly more selective than Wash U. It’s not as clear with the Dartmouth and UChicago students, though. That’s JMO.</p>
<p>Three people in my class were deferred ED and at least one of them was accepted. Haven’t heard about the other two, but given what I know about the other people applying RD, I’m guessing they were rejected/wait listed.</p>
<p>I think I get the logic here now: because of “Tufts Syndrome,” WashU doesn’t want to admit superior kids whom it feels will reject it in favor of other better schools. Therefore, WashU either rejects these superior kids outright or puts them on the waitlist. Evidence shows (from the postings above) that these rejected or waitlisted kids end up at schools like Stanford and Harvard, indeed proving the point (that they would have in all likelihood rejected actual admission offers from WashU). Thus, I conclude that it is in fact a good thing to be rejected or waitlisted, because it likely indicates that WashU felt that you were too good for them and likely to get into even better schools. Those who have been rejected or waitlisted by WashU should actually feel pretty pumped! I got it now.</p>
<p>That neglects to consider the multitude of kids with 2350+ or even perfect scores who WERE accepted. Sorry to say it but all these waitlist whiners are typical CC sore losers.</p>
<p>quickquestion1 - I entirely agree. </p>
<p>Also, I didn’t apply to HYP because they are not schools that appeal to me for various reasons. However, I did apply to Stanford REA and got deferred. So don’t say “oh people that got rejected/waitlisted from Wash U are just over qualified and get into better schools anyway.” I got deferred at Stanford which is no small feat and I got into Wash U. And If I got into Stanford, I would probably accept Wash U anyway. I don’t like the vibe at Stanford as much. So guys… stop having Wash U be the proverbial “sour grapes.” Please realize that there are other great schools out there that will accept you, and stop griping about how you are “just overqualified” and move on with your life.</p>
<p>Also, I did some statistical analysis for kicks and giggles. This doesn’t prove anything since we have all been told that admissions is a holistic process that does not depend solely on numbers but it does help.</p>
<p>I averaged all of the SAT scores of accepted people up until page 7. I averaged all the SAT scores of waitlisted people up until page 9 so that I would have a large enough data set. I did not include people from either group who posted their scores but didn’t send them and instead sent their ACTs</p>
<h1>of accepted people I included: 32</h1>
<p>Average SAT score: 2280.0</p>
<h1>of waitlisted people I included: 23</h1>
<p>Average SAT score: 2214.3</p>
<p>So if all waitlisted people or even a majority of waitlisted people were “overqualified” we would be seeing very different statistics.</p>
<p>One interesting trend I noticed: a greater percentage of waitlisted people didn’t send SAT scores and only sent ACT. </p>
<p>I would find the statistics for average GPA with accepted vs waitlisted, but many schools use different methods and a bunch of people only submitted weighted GPAs.</p>