Congrats @rickle1 !!! So glad this week brings an upward trend!
A huge congrats to everyone who received good news today! That is SO awesome! This whole process is so crazy - but moments like that are what make it so rewarding! Any word from TCU? My D thought that she would hear today, but it is looking less likely now.
@MTlover2002. No idea why⊠but they are in my calendar to hear from next week. I have down Monday. But not sure based on what lol.
I hope this doesnât come across wrongâŠmy intent of what I say next is truly to encourage to help others keep the faith if they dont have a yes YETâŠI quoted @AbigCurveBall as a reference point, not at all to say my D is any better but we have 3 yesses, 2 waitlists, 1 yes from what most consider a top program & today we got a No from Roosevelt, I am truly happy for all of you who got in today, especially if this was your first yes!..it came in the portal w no email so not sharing yet, todays not the right day for thatâŠWe will be OK bc we have options - GREAT options, but I just want people to realize EVERYONE gets rejectedâŠthere is no rhyme or reason to why you get a yes from one program but a no from another despite perceptions of any programsâŠI read posts where people say you have to believe that the programs actually do have a rhyme or reason, thereâs a method to the madness they say, but truthfully I donât see itâŠwill she be happy a year from now , I 100% believe that she willâŠdo I believe everyone lands where they âBELONGâ- NO I DONâT . they do end up happy and thriving in most casesâŠto blindly trust all these auditors after what Iâve witnessed done to these kids these past 6 months? sorry not buying itâŠI also donât know how to tell the class of 2025 and beyond to craft a diverse list of fit schoolsâŠhow would anyone know? what " fit is"?? I likely would have /could have eliminated a school that became an eventual yes or a wait listâŠI had a national coach assess her talent, they helped us craft our list and our coaches are completely perplexed at why some schools are a NO or why she didnât pass the prescreenâŠagain we have great choices so no pity for us, just an honest raw reflection on the process, cast as wide a net as you can afford is my opinion, if others disagree SO BE IT, you know what they say about opinions âŠ
@NYYFanNowMTdad I think thatâs why you cast a wide, diverse net. What was true last year isnât true this year. Kid A, B or G last year got something but not true this year. I think thatâs why itâs hard for coaches, many whoâve been doing this for 10+ years to know as well! It just is.
@NYYFanNowMTdad I think thatâs a fair assessment and gripe. I think one of the many problems with this process is that we have no idea what they are looking for. In sports, they are looking for a certain position, speed, or size. You can at least narrow it down. In theater, they donât say we need two women with brown hair who have 3 years of jazz and tap experience and are sopranos. We were at Elon today. 2 people in the program had 0-1 year of experience/ training coming in. Maybe they are just that good or Elon isnât so great. Donât know. I do know that my kid has talent, but needed training. Kid Has the drive, but needed the coaching to be better, and at a level top and mid grade programs I thought expected. But, the more I think about it, the colleges mostly want somebody truly unique, and they believe they will shape them in to a talented individual. If you are super talented and look and sound like everyone else, why botherâŠwe already have 3 of those in our program.
Personally, I would like to know how much follow up and relationship building people have done post audition with the departments and admissions office beyond a thank you email or handwritten letter. We have done nothing other than a thank you, and I wonder if that might be affecting our results. Hate to second guess, but hard not to.
@AbigCurveBall - beyind thrilled that your D got that first YES - so happy for her!!!
@AbigCurveBall @rickle1 and anyone else who received an acceptance todayâŠWoo Hoo! Congrats to your Dâs! Celebrate and have a great weekend!
@MTLover2002 Pretty sure TCU is on Spring Break next week. But that doesnât always mean anything with notifications. Hope itâs sooner than later for those waiting!
I donât think this is necessary or common. I think they are evaluating the audition. Many programs also have essays asking about interest in their program. When my D auditioned for BFA in MT programs, nobody at these programs ever heard of my D, she had not attended any workshops/mocks, etc. with department reps, and she wrote no thank you notes after auditions. It was solely based on her audition and her submitted application materials. Iâd say she had very good results. Try hard not to second guess. Simply, the acceptance rates to these programs are very low and they cannot possibly accept all who are qualified. Being denied at a program doesnât imply you donât have what it takes. After all, someone gets into UMich but not Penn State, or into CCM but not Emerson, etc. etc. etc. This happens with highly selective regular colleges too that have extremely low admit rates. It goes with the territory.
@csuram1994 @Lilybird4 and @BloomingGirl - acceptance vibes ~~~ are still coming your way! The group got two first BFA âyessesâ this week - I am hoping the next few weeks brings the same to all of you. Itâs a horrible waiting game, I know - but stay positive, we are all pulling for you!
I donât think much relationship-building goes on after audition, but in a few cases it does. I know both of my students were given cards by a few people at auditions. Some of the adjudicators they saw up to three times over several auditions. They all wrote thank you notes. Only 1-2 for each have kept in ongoing contact with them. I donât think it is necessary or expected but if they want to get to know you better to help assess your fit, thatâs ok, too!
@onette, I understand what you are saying you have observed on occasion. So, perhaps experiences differ. The schools you have mentioned (this cycle) that your students were admitted to are not schools my D applied to, and so maybe they do it differently. She also never saw any adjudicators more than onceâŠjust at the on-campus auditions. Your students attended some other types of auditions that my D did not. So, maybe some students have had ongoing contact with some auditors, but I just want people to know that this is not necessarily the case across the board, at least based on my own kid, and other students whom I have advised in this process in my work over the years. Obviously, that sounds like a great opportunity, but I am not sure it is typical or even possible, particularly at schools where the number of applicants is huge. Just so people donât worry if their kid is not building a relationship with an auditor, it is not required or typical overall, but maybe happens in some cases at some schools.
@NYYFanNowMTdad - I think there are a number of factors - least of which is follow up - unless its Webster - that was discussed at length in another post. But fit goes both ways. If you turn this around we just had a discussion about my Dâs rejection from FSU - we didnât love it there - didnât love the two plane rides, didnât love the vibe of Tallahassee - we just werenât feeling it. Other schools had us at hello. Going in we had boxes we wanted checked - great training, location, clean and updated facilities, great faculty and my dâs boxes are different than your dâs boxes - we could both leave the same campus tour and information session with a completely different opinion. It doesnât mean it isnât a top school, and it doesnât mean that a person couldnât be successful there - but it just isnât what my d or your d are looking for - and often you know right away. I think its the same thing with the schools - they get a vibe, a feeling about one applicant over another - itâs not a true âtalentâ competition - itâs just fit. I work on Wall Street and we have a saying when people have different ways of evaluating the same product - âThatâs what makes a marketâ⊠I think for the most part itâs the same thing here - you canât overthink it - although of course, we will :).
@CaMom13 you actually made me cry this morning, surprisingly I think the first tears Iâve shed in this process (but ulcers, grey hair, stress eating, randomly kicking puppies and small children - well thatâs another story.) Thanks so much for the support and for pulling for my daughter!
No argument here but Unless you are going to visit all of your schools in your junior year which I am NOT suggesting how can anyone expect applications to be less than 20+ maybe even 30+âŠYou donât know vibe and fit till you go through this process All the way to the end ehivh includes sitting in on classes. Meeting professor and students. Seeing a show etcâŠMy points were 2 things
1)hang in there if you havenât gotten a yes yet. Itâs more than likely not about your kids talent
- this idea of a well crafted list of schools that is repeatedly mentioned on these threads is nearly impossible to figure out
why do I say this?? As Iâve stated before dozens of times on these threads-we passed prescreens & got yesses from âtop tierâ schools & Nos from ones that after TONS of research. Hundreds of hours would have been viewed as fits or â mid tierâ ( call it whatever you want)& they ended up as Nos- so how could I honestly tell people not to apply to so many schools?
@NYYFanNowMTdad - I 100% agree - we were actual victims of this - my d decided very quickly that she wanted to go to one particular school - she has a friend two years older whose talent is very similar who got in ED, her coaches told her they thought she had a very good chance so she applied ED - unfortunately she applied to very few other schools. Mid-December she didnât get in - we only had 3 other auditions scheduled - and we scrambled.
We were soooo behind in the process. Some schools had closed their audition window - I called a few who were closed, and was able to get an audition - I still had to submit a prescreen. At the end she applied and auditioned for 13 schools - did some walk-ins but didnât end up applying to them. And, she applied to another 7 BA academic programs. Somehow do have 3 acceptances, one deferral and one that she is in weekly contact with - so we are kind of landing on our feet. She has a one very good BFA option and we are waiting on the new "dream school " a little later in March.
But my advice to the class of 2025 - donât do what we did - cast a huge net, donât fall in love and have a wide range of schools on your list in terms of selectivity. Another Wall Street phrase - past performance is not indicative of future results - you have no idea what a school is looking for THIS year - donât take chances.
@BloomingGirl @Lilybird4 @csuram1994 and all others waiting for your first BFA acceptance - we are all routing for you - I feel in my heart that this will be your week! We got some exciting first-time yeses this past week. Your kids are in my prayers, and I have a very good feeling good news will come soon!! Please keep us posted - I canât wait to virtually celebrate your good news!
@DivaStageMom Thank you so much!!
The same thing happened to me. I had my eyes set on this one dream school. I had done my research and set my focus solely on this one school. I wanted to get in this school so badâ all my time and effort went to catering my CommonApp around what I thought this school might be looking for. When the time came to apply, I applied ED knowing that despite applying ED, my chances were still low but higher than applying Regular.
So, I applied to my safety schools instateâ most of which didnât have great programs (Or programs that I got excited about) for Acting or Film Acting. Got into all those safeties.
Mid December my ED School updated my portal and my heart was broken. Iâd fallen in love with this school and now I was being told I didnât even get in?
My mother and I were left scrambling to get our bearings. I applied to one other performing arts school, passed their prescreens, flew up and auditioned at the end of January and now I sit everyday hoping I get that one phone call. That one yesâ or else Iâll have to try again next year.
I most definitely agree with @DivaStageMom for the class of 2025. DO NOT FALL IN LOVE (lol) !! Apply to many many schools and have your eyes set on many many programs or else youâll end up in this horrible place where you have one more chance to get a yes or itâs back to square one. Because you didnât give yourself enough opportunities to be said yes to.
In our n=1, I can share that the thank you emails sent are not at all associated with acceptances/rejections received. Actually, in our n=1, I have support for the hypothesis that sending an email hurts oneâs chances of acceptance (all schools to which an email was sent were rejections, all non-rejections did not follow thank you emails) ⊠which I think we all have enough logic left to know canât possibly be true?