<p>Who's a dork like me and already starting to think about classes for next year? I'm not even 100% on Michigan but I have already been looking hehe. I'm thinking:</p>
<p>Math 215 or 285
English 125
Econ 101, and maybe 108
Psych 111, Stats 350, or Comm 101</p>
<p>What are you all thinking?</p>
<p>Where do you find the class lists? Do you have to go to each departmental webpage? And no you are not a dork, I was thinking along the same lines.</p>
<p>I just went to the LSA Course Guide online. There are probably other places to look but that’s the only place I know.</p>
<p>Thanks for the info. I think I will be taking very similiar classes. I’m in Calc AB this year, but I plan on still taking 115 next year. What, if any, are the natural science requirements for freshmen?</p>
<p>You’re not alone. Then again, I have to plan ahead if I want to get a dual degree in a reasonable amount of time. I’m thinking:
Math 295
English 124 or Great Books if I get into Honors
Maybe Physics 160/161 first semester
the rest would be music classes.</p>
<p>If you’re looking for requirements and stuff I found [last</a> year’s first year freshmen course guide](<a href=“http://www.lsa.umich.edu/UMICH/lsa_students/Home/LSA%20Course%20Guide/Fall%202009%20docs/FYCG2009_online.pdf]last”>http://www.lsa.umich.edu/UMICH/lsa_students/Home/LSA%20Course%20Guide/Fall%202009%20docs/FYCG2009_online.pdf) rather helpful.</p>
<p>I’ve been planning as well. Are you a pre-admit to Ross or are planning on applying after freshman year? (Just curious because I see you’re taking all 3 pre-reqs for Ross)</p>
<p>if you’re applying to ross i would take eng 125 econ 101 math 215 and psych or comm</p>
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<p>No I decided not to apply for preferred admission because I was sick of writing essays and wanted to just get my application in. I devoted a whole Sunday to working on it and then I said to myself “how great would it be to be done with college apps?” and I just submitted it. Haha I kinda which I had applied but I will just apply freshman year. What about you?</p>
<p>michigancholo,</p>
<p>Why do you say that? Why 215 over 285 and why no stats? I think if I don’t take stats first semester I’ll take it second.</p>
<p>haha the four essays were a hassle! I’m a pre-admit to Ross.</p>
<p>SamIAm, I think the implication was that Psych is easier than Stats (though Stats 350 is supposed to be very easy), and I would recommend 285 over 215 unless you want to sit in a hundred person lecture hall more than a 30 person classroom.</p>
<p>Crazypianist, I could be wrong as your dual degree program is likely different than my son’s, but I should give you fair warning that typically a dual school of music student gets all the BMUS prereqs out of the way first, and usually has a 17 or 18 credit courseload, that if you receive music scholarship money, will also include a requirement to take a 6 hr. ensemble course. So, depending on your exact degree requirements, you <em>might</em> not be able to fit those 9 credits you mentioned in until after your first two years at SOM. That was the case for my son anyway. You will have a special adviser to help you meet the requirements of both degrees. Good luck!</p>
<p>So you think I should take the easier classes to help keep a high GPA? I know Ross likes to see that I challenged myself, although I’ve also heard that Stats 350 is pretty easy and I thought they would like to see that I did well in a quantitative class like that. What worries me about Math 285 is that it’s supposed to involve a lot of theory and proof. I have always been good at math but I have little experience with that kind of stuff. Are most people in that class in the same boat or would I be at a disadvantage? I definitely like the idea of a smaller class though.</p>
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Meh, I’ll have to wait to see if I get in to find out! How did you get 6hr ensemble? I thought it was only a 2 hr course. Also, while I know they require ensemble courses, I don’t know whether piano scholarships would require going above the requirements seeing how rarely piano is used in orchestral music. Do you know if SoM gives out many scholarships, or are they as rare as LSA’s? Also, I’ve looked at their handbook and I can’t figure out whether lessons with faculty take up credit hours or not. Do you know?</p>
<p>Sorry about the bombardment of questions!</p>
<p>Most of the people in 285 took BC and got a 5 on it, and that’s it.</p>
<p>The honors sequence is designed so that whatever grade you’d get in the regular sequence, you should get in the honors.</p>
<p>Crazypianist, the ensemble is a 2 credit course, but the actual time requirement I believe is quite intensive, as one would expect at that level of performance. My son and I had calculated a 6 hr. time commitment for the concert band when looking at the schedule (which I believe met 3 times a week), but I could be wrong. I do know that they do not recommend ensemble participation for non-SOM students because of it’s intensive commitment. Any scholarship student usually has a requirement to participate in one of the many ensembles or do an alternate (eg. research). There is a list of accepted alternatives available that they will give you in that case, eg. digital music ensemble, choir, jazz, etc. I do know that SOM gives out scholarships, and that they do what they can with their funds, which is not to say they’re necessarily plentiful. Lessons with faculty do indeed count for credit hours, at least in the performance stream (unless elective) but I don’t know the specifics for piano. I believe the lessons count as 1 credit (but maybe 2 in performance, not sure). </p>
<p>I am sharing this to help you understand that dual degrees with SOM can be a bit challenging for the first two years, but I also don’t want to scare you off because SOM is awesome. It’s just that a BMUS has particular, nationwide requirements in order to be accredited, and it’s a professional degree, meaning it is much more time intensive than a typical course of study. In your case, since you’re piano, you’d likely pass out of the piano requirement, which would free up one of the prereqs on your schedule. You will also have theory and musicology requirements to meet in order to graduate (you’ll see those in the handbook.)</p>
<p>Also, just so you know, in the event you were not accepted to SOM, you can still access music (and often the same very awesome profs) via LSA, which has provisions for a BA music major or a double major that includes BA music. The difference is conservatory approach versus liberal arts approach. Depending on what you intend to pursue as a career, there are lots of options at U of M in terms of music. Many of the music degree requirements DO help fill your LSA grad requirements, so there is sufficient overlap to make dual degrees possible. Plan on a five-year course of study, however, and the first two years being predominated by music. That’s the advice the registrar gave us. Hope it helps. But do not feel overwhelmed by this info – they’re great at walking you through it all!
Cheers,
K</p>
<p>Thank a ton! At least I know my AP music theory test will pay off in fulfilling requirements. I’ll be sure to take into account what you said when designing my schedule.</p>
<p>Even if they don’t give you advanced standing for the AP theory, you will be SOOOOOO glad you had it. Theory is very tough at U M and no one teaches it quite like they do! You will really really be glad you took it!!!</p>