Classics Programs at SLACs

It’s worth noting that some of the latter did not jump directly into a PhD program but rather completed a MA along the way – the Dickinson grad at Columbia, the UGA grad at Oxford, the UPS grad at Columbia, the College of Charleston grad at UGA, the Alabama grad at Notre Dame, etc.

I would never say that it’s impossible for a student from a less selective college to get into a good PhD program. It’s simply a bit more difficult, and a postbac or MA somewhere else is often very helpful.

In any case, as @Midwestmomofboys noted, this depends a lot on the faculty you’ve worked with and the recommendation letters they write for you. There’s no doubt that there’s some amazing scholars at moderately selective institutions. A motivated student who studied, say, Linear B and Mycenaean archaeology with Dimitri Nakassis at CU Boulder, Cypriot/Persian studies with Nicolle Hirschfeld and Mark Garrison at Trinity (TX), or comparative Indo-European linguistics with Jared Klein at UGA may well have a far better shot at a good PhD program in Classics than someone who majored in Classics at a highly selective school like Pomona or Vanderbilt but didn’t particularly excel.

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Honestly, I was surprised there was so many PHD students :slight_smile:

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Yeah, it’s partly from PhD programs taking so long. In the humanities it’s relatively rare to finish in under 6 years, and taking up to 9-10 years is not unheard of. When you’re admitting at least a handful of new students a year, the numbers can add up quickly.

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My daughter graduated with a double major in Classics and Computer Science from Grinnell in 2018. Because Grinnell didn’t have core curriculum requirements, she was able to make this happen despite only discovering an interest in comp sci her sophomore year (and she still managed a semester abroad). Like your daughter, she knew she wanted a SLAC, and was interested in the humanities broadly (classics, religion, gender and women’s studies, English, etc were all things she considered).

Pros: generous merit aid, small classes, flexible curriculum, lots of attention from professors, summer research/employment opportunities (she did a paid MAP), professional development support (she received money to enroll in UC Berkeley’s summer Greek intensive since she hadn’t had Greek in HS, and they sent her to two comp sci conferences), a fairly high percentage of international students who are well integrated in the campus (her roommate and still best friend is from Russia, and her senior year roommates were from Slovenia, Russia, India, Czech, and one other I forgot), music lessons were included, spring break tour with Grinnell Singers, and extremely supportive/understanding environment. It turned out our extremely capable but introverted daughter had real struggles with anxiety/depression, and her Grinnell professors and support staff really worked with her when she had bad weeks. Monessa Cummins’s reputation as one of the best professors on campus is deserved. Although it wasn’t completed, the new humanities building has to be a plus in Grinnell’s favor.

Cons: My city daughter really missed sushi and good burritos. She was MUCH happier when we bought her a car, even though she didn’t actually leave Grinnell that often. She handled the cold pretty well, but had difficulty with the heat. There were no direct flights from our city to Des Moines, so travel home wasn’t easy.

I used to think college “fit” was overrated, but now that we have 2 college grads (our son’s experience at a UC couldn’t be more different) and have seen a few kids of friends drop out of college, I’m a firm believer that the best college is one where your kid will thrive and graduate (assuming you can afford it, of course).

Best of luck to your daughter…she has some great schools on her list!

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Thanks Valerie! We are flying out to Grinnell in April to tour…it sounds like really special place!

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Some would argue that, given how competitive it is to land a spot in PhD program, postbacs and Masters programs are a good way to to for all applicants, even those who hail from elite UG schools. The problem with those programs, though, is that many/most aren’t funded.

What if a student is an LGBTQ person of color on financial aid who is both athletic and artsy (and maybe even attended a prep school on financial aid)?

“Fit” for a college starts with affordability and suitable academic offerings.

Perhaps I didn’t make the right point. When the school is 70% white and the median income of families is $270K+, the largest percentage of students are rich and white. LGBTQ+ is around 5% of the general population. Those, along with Greek participation (also rich and white), are the defining characteristics of the social groupings. The non-rich, non-white, non-straight students tend to form groups and associate with those they are most comfortable. Is there some overlap? Sure but generally, no.

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