<p>Chris, I have never said this wasn’t a problem. I said in one of my first posts in this thread that the administration needs to address the problem and correct it. As far as I know, that is what they are doing. In addition to their own internal review, they have hired an outside law firm to perform an INDEPENDENT investigation. Other than genuflecting and begging for forgiveness to some of the posters here, I am not sure what else they can do. However, I am sure I can count on you Wesleyan guys to tell us.</p>
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<p>I understand that there are students and parents who will want to weigh the impact of this incident when making a decision to accept an offer of admission by CMC. That is a very valid point, and one that needs to be respected. About six hundred lucky students will be in that position out of more than five thousand applicants. One could hope that, by the time students prepare their admission packages in the Fall of 2012, we will have been blessed by a complete analysis of the issue, including a revised ranking on Morse’s blog, and a new ranking in the 2013 edition. People who are desperate for the “new” SAT ranking do not have to wait that long. All that is needed is to seek to obtain the CDS form for the past class and go to work. I guarantee that it does not take a Rhodes Scholar to compile a list of the highest twenty SAT scores among LACs. And, as far as I know, that is really what the most vocal critics have been focusing on! Or did I miss something … short of misplaced accusation and constant shrilling? </p>
<p>However, my point went further than that as I wrote, “Why is so hard to wait for the results of the internal investigation at CMC and wait for the revised data at the USNews? Why is it so hard to refrain to make wholesale judgments about an entire administration, or intimate the problem reflects a deeply ingrained culture of deception and lack of ethics?” </p>
<p>The second part was more important!</p>
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<p>Humm? I think Morse will recalculate because … he said so. Will they change the publications retroactively? I think no because … they said so.</p>
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<p>Chris, my point is not really a prediction. I have shared the information (and linked to, I believe) that Morse will recalculate the rankings and post the results in the Morse Code blog. So, they will recalculate but not republish the data. Hope that clears this up. </p>
<p>As far as predictions, I have posted MY analysis of the impact of the changes in the SAT. I do not believe that Morse can concoct anything different from the small change I presented. To the obvious dismay of a number of participants in this thread! </p>
<p>The discussion about changes in the future editions is wide open. I do not have a polished crystal ball to check. At best, I can speculate about how the PA “gurus” will respond. Based on my understanding of their knowledge and dedication to the exercise, I would think that the people who really fill the surveys will be as oblivious to the reality as they were in the past.</p>
<p>Parent57:</p>
<p>In the interest of honesty, I’ve admitted my jealousy of CMC’s superior ranking over Wesleyan in the last USNews rankings. That has certainly, at times, unduly influenced my posts here. I regret that. I like to think of myself as a fair-minded person, but I do get carried away sometimes into “pompous-ass land,” no question about it.</p>
<p>I’m curious: Can you admit the same tendency and behavior yourself on this board, coming from a biased position favoring CMC?</p>
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<p>We do indeed disagree.</p>
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<p>Here we DO NOT disagree. Cheating is not only risky but reprehensible. It is also not more acceptable because it was perpetrated by people we might like or respect. Nothing in this discussion should diminish the fact that misreporting the data was wrong. For the record, my attitude and reaction would be the same had this report surfaced at Pomona or Wesleyan. Or at Smith or Scripps.</p>
<p>Chris, I feel like your trying to get me into a confession booth to reveal some repressed Freudian thoughts in the recesses of my subconscious. I think I addressed your question in my previous post.</p>
<p>Xiggi:</p>
<p>What do you make of this link (posted by johnwesley in post #145):</p>
<p>“Robert Morse, who directs the U.S. News rankings, hasn’t said how much a difference such changes might make, but he noted in a column about the news that the magazine will recalculate the ranking when he gets the accurate scores. SAT scores represent 7.5 percent of the U.S. News ranking.”</p>
<p>[Claremont</a> McKenna Not Alone in Admissions Mischief: Jane S. Shaw](<a href=“http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2012/02/01/bloomberg_articlesLYOU0J1A1I4H01-LYOU0.DTL#ixzz1lEWKZOj0]Claremont”>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2012/02/01/bloomberg_articlesLYOU0J1A1I4H01-LYOU0.DTL#ixzz1lEWKZOj0)</p>
<p>The SFGate article linked above states that the CMC ranking WILL be “recalculated.” I’ve been assuming that means new USN rankings will be published in some form that will show how CMC’s position (and therefore the position of every other school on the list) will or will not change as a result of the recent scandal. In other words, that the USN ranking numbers for 2012 will be updated, in some form or other.</p>
<p>Does your link show that Morse will be publishing the new CMC ranking in his blog, or in some other way, or something, without changing the ranking numbers on their official web site? I’m afraid I missed that link. Can you repost it, or give me the post number in which you first shared it? </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>“Chris, I feel like your trying to get me into a confession booth to reveal some repressed Freudian thoughts in the recesses of my subconscious. I think I addressed your question in my previous post.”</p>
<p>Nope.</p>
<p>Just trying to get you to show whether or not you have more than one or two honest bones in your body.</p>
<p>I think we can all see, now.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>You continually ignore what I said about addressing the problem and correcting it. Do I feel bad that it happened…YEAH, I think I have said this mucho times. In all honesty, I feel pretty good about myself, so I am not sure what else you want me to confess to. I have a feeling you’re going to tell me.</p>
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<p>What can I say about this that I did not say in several posts, including this one and one just before it? </p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/13824565-post156.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/13824565-post156.html</a></p>
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<p>Xiggi, Xiggi … there have been a flurry of posts on this thread recently, and I missed the earlier one in the process.</p>
<p>I don’t recall seeing the link and article excerpt you just posted (#204) on this thread. It’s a long thread. I may have missed it.</p>
<p>Sheesh.</p>
<p>Thanks for posting it, though, just above. That clears up the misunderstanding/miscommunication we’ve been having.</p>
<p>“You continually ignore what I said about addressing the problem and correcting it. Do I feel bad that it happened…YEAH, I think I have said this mucho times. In all honesty, I feel pretty good about myself, so I am not sure what else you want me to confess to. I have a feeling you’re going to tell me.”</p>
<p>Actually, I was hoping you’d admit to being as sanctimonious and self-righteous as you regularly berate others for being on this board. In the interest of honest, productive discussion I find it helps if people get off their “I’m right, you’re wrong” racket once in a while, especially if the pretense is blatantly obvious. I did it myself, and was hoping you’d follow. Guess it was too much to ask.</p>
<p>The number of Wesleyan supporters who have jumped on this CMC thread boarders on perverse and does their own fine college no service.</p>
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<p>I think that this has become a bit of a red-herring. No one expects USNews to issue a recall of all its guidebooks for the past six years, or to offer an exchange of new sets of hard copies for old. I think that is basically what Morse is innoculating USNews against: the cost of refunding everyone who’s ever purchased a magazine or the book version of the guides the past six years.</p>
<p>I the end, though, Claremont McKenna may wish it were that simple. It’s a little like removing a band-aid; do you take it off all at once, or would you rather undergo useless speculation for the next two years (because each poll relies on lagging indicators) before finding out how Morse finally tallies up all the consequences.</p>
<p>schsswcw: </p>
<p>The perverse aspect of unhealthy rivalry is precisely what I’ve been trying to get at with Parent57, with little or no success thus far, unfortunately. You may want to check out Parent57’s posts on the Wesleyan board, for context.</p>
<p>Here’s one thread, in particular, you might not have seen:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/wesleyan-university/1197037-1-train-wreck-school.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/wesleyan-university/1197037-1-train-wreck-school.html</a></p>
<p>Hey JW, I actually took a look at the link about the theft of food utensils at Wesleyan. A couple of the posters I’m afraid haven’t reaped the benefits of the school’s deep curriculum. Maybe a forced re-indoctrination program would be in order for them:</p>
<p>“I will go check my ramen ridden “pantry”/small box under my bed, look for that Usdan dishware, find only the plastic forks that perhaps weshop overprices, and come to the startling realization that I can just take a fork from Usdan. And you know what? I will take a fork.”</p>
<p>“What weirds me out the most about this is the tone of righteous indignation. As H5N1 pointed out, it’s $4.40 a person. Plus, even if theft were completely eliminated (which will never happen), there’s no reason the money saved will go anywhere but the bottom line.” </p>
<p>“Also, I can not believe those black plastic bowls cost 5 dollars each, and the mugs cost 4 each. Shop around, Bon Appetit. Jesus.” </p>
<p>“The $14K cost of stealing is distributed among all Wesleyan students on the meal plan, so it’s only about $4.40 per person per semester. Doesn’t seem like a big deal now, does it?”</p>
<p>“what about all the money that is lost by usdan leaving all its lights on ALL THE TIME??”</p>
<p>There are many more comments along these lines, but I think you get the point. Maybe you guys need to focus your attention on your sons and daughters at Wesleyan before expressing your outrage here.</p>
<p>Chris, so that’s why you’re prowling around this board pontificating about this incident at CMC because I hurt your feelings last summer with that thread, which I only posted to see what you guys thought about that survey and the lack of prerequisites at Wesleyan. Gosh, if you have a problem with me, just tell me rather taking it out on a school and their students. Show some maturity.</p>
<p>This thread is great! </p>
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<li><p>Interesting topic </p></li>
<li><p>Relevant, insightful, level-headed, analysis by Xiggi (and a few others). </p></li>
<li><p>And a whole lot of really crazy Mom.</p></li>
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<p>I’m glad you like it, Stats, because I am wasting my entire day entertaining you.</p>
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<p>Simple solution. Stop mentioning Wesleyan every time you guys find yourselves stuck for an answer. For the record, the word “Wesleyan” appears in at least 25 posts on this thread, second only to the words “Claremont McKenna”. Are you guys really that insecure? Isn’t that how this whole fiasco started in the first place???</p>
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<p>Including the first mention at post #83 here:
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