College advising vs. Career advising in High Schools

<p>I'd like to hear from other parents, what your sons' & daughters' high schools do for their students regarding career counseling. Interest or Aptitude tests? Career Shadowing days? How do you as a parent help guide your children? </p>

<p>We are finding that narrowing the college search is much more difficult for our D. than S. primarily because D. has no clue what she is interested in pursuing. It has varied from the arts to business to psychology to languages, and beyond. Nearly all colleges have some type of introductory programs. At times, we feel the LAC is the best route, hoping she will receive more attention and guidance, as well as a experience a variety of classes through a well-rounded curriculum. At other times, we believe a large state school provides a better "selection". Interested in exploring Business, Broadcast Journalism, Occupational Therapy, Industrial Design, or Graphic/Media arts? You probably will not have much exposure to these options at most LACs. </p>

<p>I recognize that careers change, and college can sometimes be a perfect place to explore alternatives. We parents on CC are often looking for that "perfect fit" for college. At the same time, I also feel that career assessment during high school is equally important, yet often ignored at the high school level (at least in our area). What else can and should be done at this age?</p>

<p>There is a standard joke in my family about the time my younger brother took a career guidance test in high school and the test results indicated that the perfect job for him was............mortician. He is now a very successful money manager, whose clients love him.</p>

<p>High school is too early to do much more than find general areas of interest, career-wise. Many of my contemporaries were convinced they wanted to be doctors, until they bailed out of organic chemistry. Many of my friends that are doctors are unhappy in their profession.</p>

<p>I think that sometimes not enough attention is given to career assessment in hs; and I've seen some students "float" through freshman year or soph. yr in college being "undecided". If you want to plan for summer work exp., research, study abroad options, etc., it can be very helpful to have a major already designated so you can take advantage of those options which fit best with your studies.</p>

<p>However, I don't know that high schools really need to do career assessment. I think it's more up to the individual student to begin thinking carefully about what classes in hgs they enjoy (and excel in); what activities or clubs really spark their interest, and do some SELF-assessment about whether that leads to particular majors in college and/or careers.</p>

<p>Additionally, they should never underestimate the knowledge they can gain by talking to relatives, friends, neighbors etc. who have careers that seem appealing. Really "pick their brains" about what exactly they do and how did they prepare for their job. Don't necessarily need to "shadow them on the job", though it can be very helpful. But ask thoughtful questions about their experiences and then reflect on whether it matches their own strengths, and personality.</p>

<p>Our school doesn't really do much about any of this. </p>

<p>However, I don't know that a school needs to do much with career assessment but I do think there should be attention paid to career discovery and exposure and some individual discussions or counseling about future directions. I do not think a junior or senior in high school needs to know what he or she will major in at college. But it helps to have some sort of general "direction". A liberal arts education will help with further discovery. But it might help to have some general ideas so that the student picks colleges where these areas can be explored further. </p>

<p>I have one child who has known what she has wanted for a profession since nursery school and has never wavered. She is indeed pursuing it in college right now and entered a program for it where a commitment is required ahead of time as you apply directly to the program. This is not necessary for all kids. In fact, for some professions, kids are not exposed to the field until college because it is not a subject they take in their schooling up until that point. In HER case, her field WAS something she had been exposed to and was doing all through her youth, enough to know she was ready to commit to it. Her field is Musical Theater. </p>

<p>However, that is not the case with my other child, also now in college. She had no "I always wanted to be a _____." With her, we were involved in dicussions of her strengths and interests and what the possible fields were that she could explore that might fit those interests or strengths. This did not come from the school. She always exceled at math and science, though frankly is so well rounded that she was good at all the other subjects and liked those as well. I recall in tenth grade, she opted to shadow a scientist in a lab. She realized afterwards that that was not for her. It was just for one day but was worthwhile. At some point, starting junior year, we discussed engineering and architecture. We were starting to look into colleges and so just reading about the programs made those fields more explored. Initially, she looked into colleges that had these two offerings and visited departments in each field on our first college visits in fall of junior year. She started leaning more toward architecture after these visits, and eventually ruled out engineering. Also architecture seemed to fit her in that it is interdisiciplinary in nature and combined lots of things she liked or was good at.....math, creativity, problem solving, history/culture, etc. Because we were involved with our kid and we have a good relationship with the guidance counselor, we even discussed it with him a bit with our child and planned her junior year schedule to do an indpendent study with a faculty advisor to explore architecture...drafting, mechanical drawing, and AutoCad. The idea was to try it out a bit as it was not a school subject. She liked it. Then the summer after junior year, she was home for a few weeks, and decided well ahead of time, to contact local architects to see if she could do an internship and she got positive replies and did one. The architect actually gave her real architectural work to do. Again, she saw what architects do first hand, and also got to do some of the work herself. Again, she liked it. She decided to apply to colleges that offered this major but with no commitment yet to major in it. She opted not to apply to five year BArch programs as they do require a commitment when applying and she was not yet ready to make that commitment because again, this is not a subject you really study or do much with prior to college, enough to know for certain, or at least in her case. She also wanted liberal arts and not to have a majority of her coursework in a specialized area and decided for her. She opted to apply to colleges with liberal arts pre-architecture type majors. Now, she is a soph in college and is declaring Architectural Studies as her major with the intent of going to grad school for a MArch degree. So, her earlier exploration did turn into a decision to go into this field but not a firm one until in college after doing more courses in the field, plus a summer intensive the summer after freshman year at Harvard Graduate School of Design, which was appropriately named, Career Discovery Program. </p>

<p>So, I think that parents might have to do this work, if the school doesn't. But it is a process of discussing their interests and skills, exploring what careers fit that....observing others in the field, trying out the field....indep. studies, internships, and the like. I don't think a kid needs to commit to a major before college but it does help to have some direction, enough to find colleges that offer those majors in case the intended direction does become a major later on. And for some, they may enter a field directly, that they KNOW they want to do or have done things in that area for a while. </p>

<p>It is funny because I interviewed a student for admissions yesterday and when I asked if he had any possible career or academic interest and how that developed, it reminded me of my older D's process with architecture. He told me about discussing this with his parents (both who are doctors) and how he landed on Economics, and how it started with his skills and interests and what you could do with those. So, I urge parents to start talking to their kids about such things by junior year. No commitments needed. However, the next step might be to see about ways to explore those fields some more....shadow someone...take a course....do an internship, write a paper on the topic, visit college departments in that field and see what you think. A school could offer career panels, bringing in alum....that is another form of exposure.</p>

<p>Susan</p>

<p>In our hometown school district, there's a lot of emphasis on career counseling, starting in middle school. In middle school, my daughter even had a semester course on "career exploration." I have come to believe this is a mistake, since so many of the kids are frantic by their sophomore year in high school, because they "don't know what they want to do when they grow up." Maybe it's a leftover from the days of being purely a farm town, but it does the kids a real disservice. I have to wonder if the number of kids who DON'T go on to a four-year college (or any college) is somehow tied to this approach.</p>

<p>I work as a middle school counselor in WI. Career education is a very broad area. Many of the things that your kids learn in school come under the umbrella of career education - time management, social skills, group collaboration, goal setting - the list goes on. A well designed career program will also allow students to explore different careers. We focus on helping students learn how to get information, how to evaluate education and skill requirements, and how to look at employment outlooks over time. In WI, we do interest inventories with students at grade 8 and 10. The focus in the inventories is getting kids to identify things they like to do and then identifying careers that match these interests. </p>

<p>Some kids are readily able to identify career interests, others don't have a clue. We encourage kids to explore different things, to take a variety of classes in early high school and to pursue interests outside of school. And still there will be students who finish high school without much of an idea of what they want to pursue. I would encourage these students to find a college, big or small, that they like. Career exploration and ways to know ourselves come in many guises. I ended up in my field because I worked as a dorm counselor for 2 years at my LAC. Counseling is a grad level field and I never took any counseling classes as an undergrad, but here I am. If you daughter is given the opportunity to explore different things that interest her, she will find something eventually.</p>

<p>Great topic. Like Susan, our oldest child knew what she wanted to do when she entered college, no second thoughts at all. Our senior HS son is a different kettle of fish. He thinks he wants to do interactive game design but he's really not sure. My husband and I are divided on what college would let him explore his interests the best. His sister's college is a tiny private LAC but it's pretty easy to get into many different classes. Also, 3 out of 4 students do a study abroad which I think is pretty neat. A bigger college would have more course choices but may be harder to get into and I'm not sure the caliber of the classes would be as good. </p>

<p>He recently do a career evaluation on-line and the results really did sound like things he would like to do. However, when he did the one at the school it was not at all accurate.</p>

<p>I'll take this opportunity to point out that College Confidential offers a service : the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator™ (MBTI™) Process. Dave Berry conducts the process, in case anybody would like to try that service which is geared to this topic.</p>