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I think you do qwertip, and you should get more than that for a front-office job (IBD 1st year at top banks is closer to 80, with bonus about the same)

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<p>No, you don't. Money doesn't grow on trees, even at an IBank. And I know most of you CCers somehow got that idea , but its not reality.</p>

<p>Average starting salary in Ibanking at Wharton is 56k:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys/Wharton2005Report.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys/Wharton2005Report.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I know its fun to think that someone in a fancy pin-striped suit is going to hand some college kid an 80k signing bonus, but life isn't that easy.</p>

<p>I'm in the thick of this whole ordeal right now, so I'm speaking from experience, although it might just be within my circle; however my impression is that the average bonus last year was 80K (up from previous years)</p>

<p>EDIT: from wikipedia:</p>

<p>Bonuses vary greatly by the economic cycle. For example, in 2002 and 2003, bonuses for first year analysts ranged from $10,000 to $25,000, while in 2005 the bonus range was from $40,000 to $65,000 for first year analysts. In 2006, the median top bonus is projected to be $80,000 for first year analysts, $100,000 for second year analysts, and $120,000 for third year analysts. The difference is more substantial the more senior the banker.</p>

<p>I can confirm that 2006 figure for 5 or 6 of the top banks; 80K for salary+signing, plus 80K bonus, isn't that rare at all; you'd be surprised</p>

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Average starting salary in Ibanking at Wharton is 56k:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerserv...2005Report.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerserv...2005Report.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I know its fun to think that someone in a fancy pin-striped suit is going to hand some college kid an 80k signing bonus, but life isn't that easy.

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<p>Yeah, but this figure is highly misleading. It only talks about salary. The truth is, the bulk of your compensation in Ibanking is made from the bonus. The problem of course is that nobody knows exactly what his bonus is going to be, so you can't really "report" it in a salary survey. The bonus depends on the state of the economy, the deals that you get assigned to, your individual performance, and other factors. </p>

<p>Nevertheless, it is indisputable that the Ibanks pay extremely well, and yes you really do have kids fresh out of college making tremendous amounts of money. </p>

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Bonuses vary greatly by the economic cycle. For example, in 2002 and 2003, bonuses for first year analysts ranged from $10,000 to $25,000, while in 2005 the bonus range was from $40,000 to $65,000 for first year analysts. In 2006, the median top bonus is projected to be $80,000 for first year analysts, $100,000 for second year analysts, and $120,000 for third year analysts. The difference is more substantial the more senior the banker.</p>

<p>I can confirm that 2006 figure for 5 or 6 of the top banks; 80K for salary+signing, plus 80K bonus, isn't that rare at all; you'd be surprised

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<p>I still say you're a bit high. To quote directly from the Wikipedia article:</p>

<p>"Investment bankers are compensated through a base salary that is paid through the year and a large year-end bonus, in July for junior bankers and in November for senior bankers. In the United States recent graduates, typically of top universities, are hired to fill analyst positions and are commonly paid for their first year a $60,000 salary, a $10,000 sign-on bonus, and a bonus that ranges with the reputation and the profitability of the firm but can be as high as $85,000; bonuses are somewhat opaque, often exaggerated, and vary wildly from year to year, 2006 being considered universally a strong year for bonuses. "</p>

<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investment_banking#Compensation_-_USA%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investment_banking#Compensation_-_USA&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>So the point is, I think you should expect something like 120-140k total. 2006 was a very strong year for bonuses, and it is unlikely to be that high again anytime soon. Furthermore, I'm not just talking about the top 5-6 banks. Plenty of people work at the smaller boutiques or other such firms that don't pay as well, especially if you don't work in New York.</p>

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I can confirm that 2006 figure for 5 or 6 of the top banks; 80K for salary+signing, plus 80K bonus, isn't that rare at all; you'd be surprised

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<p>Good god, the both of you are quoting from Wikipedia of all places and proceeding to talk out of your asses.</p>

<p>I say again Undergraduates do not get 80k signing bonuses.</p>

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Yeah, but this figure is highly misleading. It only talks about salary. The truth is, the bulk of your compensation in Ibanking is made from the bonus. The problem of course is that nobody knows exactly what his bonus is going to be, so you can't really "report" it in a salary survey. The bonus depends on the state of the economy, the deals that you get assigned to, your individual performance, and other factors. </p>

<p>Nevertheless, it is indisputable that the Ibanks pay extremely well, and yes you really do have kids fresh out of college making tremendous amounts of money.

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<p>No, that survey talks about signing bonuses too:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys/Wharton2005Report.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys/Wharton2005Report.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Overall average for signing bonuses was 7,946. Sorry, but there aren't any 80k bonuses factored into that.</p>

<p>You can also read about Whartonites salaries several years down the line:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys/WhartonAlumniSurveyReport.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys/WhartonAlumniSurveyReport.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Average salary for Whartonites who graduated in 1996/1997 in 2002: 93k. Average bonus: 108k</p>

<p>So 5+ years out of college and they are just barely breaking into the income brackets you said they would be getting fresh out of college.</p>

<p>Jesus H. Christ. This explains where all these delusions of grandeur are coming from, kids quoting from Wikipedia and talking out of their asses.</p>

<p>those aren't signing bonuses, those are for year-end bonuses (and again, I'm speaking from the experience of my own offers and the offers of my friends; all first hand information)</p>

<p>but of course not everybody gets into the highest pay brackets; I just find that people underestimate the money - of course in IBD you so many hours that per hour it's not even that high.. go work at one of a couple certain hedge funds if you can :-o
My only point was that with this range: $35,000 - $65,000, the indiana figure is including back office jobs. I was only agreeing with the point that 40 or so from indiana into good front office jobs is accurate</p>

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My only point was that with this range: $35,000 - $65,000, the indiana figure is including back office jobs. I was only agreeing with the point that 40 or so from indiana into good front office jobs is accurate

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<p>No, again thats incorrect. The average starting salary in investment banking is about the same as it is at Wharton as it is at Kelley:</p>

<p><a href="http://ucso.indiana.edu/cgi-bin/brochures/Finance.cfm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://ucso.indiana.edu/cgi-bin/brochures/Finance.cfm&lt;/a>
<a href="http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys/Wharton2005Report.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys/Wharton2005Report.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>56k in both cases. Just like I said earlier.</p>

<p>Sign on bonus is probably about the same too given that Whartons overall average is 8k. And the investment banking specific sign-on bonus is 9k for Kelley</p>

<p>So, no, the "40 or so" figure that popped up out of nowhere is not accurate.</p>

<p>who's getting 30K at a front office IBD job?</p>

<p>If you work for a middle market bank in the middle of nowhere....</p>

<p>Qwertip, you should also check out the Business Economics majors going into I-Banking, their starting salary out of Kelley is $57,500. It's not just finance majors going into I-Banking</p>

<p>A2,</p>

<p>I noticed the Accounting and Business Economics Majors also going into IBanking and mentioned it in an earlier post in this thread. The problem is I can't tell how many Kelley students have double majors, or which out of those headed for IBanks have double majors.</p>

<p><a href="http://ucso.indiana.edu/cgi-bin/brochures/Accounting.cfm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://ucso.indiana.edu/cgi-bin/brochures/Accounting.cfm&lt;/a>
<a href="http://ucso.indiana.edu/cgi-bin/brochures/economics.cfm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://ucso.indiana.edu/cgi-bin/brochures/economics.cfm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>So we've got approximately 160 Finance majors, plus 46 Accounting majors, plus 6 Business Economics majors headed for IBanks. But again I don't know which of those are double majors. So I think its just better to say that Kelley sent at least 160 to IBanks.</p>

<p>Who really cares? Kelley is a well-recruited school. PERIOD. Investment bankers make a lot of money. PERIOD. Investment banking leads to excellent exit opps. PERIOD.</p>

<p>Kelley sucks.</p>

<p>For Wall St. try Wharton, Stern, Tepper, Ross, and Sloan in that order.</p>

<p>that's so wrong sm</p>