<p>Should I apply for Computer Engineering/Computer Science under CoE o CoLaS?
What are differences?</p>
<p>from what I’ve heard college of engineering has a better reputation. compared to it, i’ve heard that l&s is a little more watered down.</p>
<p>dunno if that has any truth to it though…</p>
<p>^not true.
Unless you are interested in EE, you might as well apply for L&S. Getting into L&S is a lot easier than getting into EECS for CoE</p>
<p>Does anyone have the stats for EECS and comsci at L&S? I’d like to see how they compare.</p>
<p>Getting in L&S is much easier than getting into CoE. I don’t know the admission numbers, but there are a big difference</p>
<p>If you’re talking about a computer science major, the L&S version has all the same computer science requirements as EECS in College of Engineering. The EECS program has more engineering/hard-science centered courses outside of computer science though.</p>
<p>L&S isn’t watered down. They take the exact same CS classes as EECS majors. Only difference is that they have less physics/EE requirements and more of the L&S breadth requirements. If you absolutely know that you’re doing CS and you’re not interested in EE at all, just apply for the CS major.</p>
<p>Those who are saying that EECS is tougher to get onto than onto the ComSci program in L&S, please support your claim.</p>
<p>OK and honestly, even if it is tougher to get into, how much do you care? If you take hard courses like CS 150 and CS 162 that show you have the stamina to do some rigorous project-based work, then your major was rigorous. People without backgrounds in CS at Berkeley (and at much lesser known schools) make it into interview rooms for jobs fine, and a CS degree from Berkeley, together with competence on the student’s part really is all one can ask for.</p>
<p>I have known at least two CS in L&S majors who were really, really good at CS, as in much more impressive to me than most EECS folk I know. Some of these guys were double majoring with math, and are just very sharp in general.</p>
<p>CS is no longer capped, so anyone can get into CS.
L&S admits everyone undeclared so no major gets preference (<a href=“http://students.berkeley.edu/files/Admissions/12626_4.Freshmen(3).pdf[/url]”>http://students.berkeley.edu/files/Admissions/12626_4.Freshmen(3).pdf</a>)
CoE admits people to a major. From what I have read, EECS admission is around 15% <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-california-berkeley/795249-berkeley-engineering-admissions-vs-berkeley-l-s-admissions.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-california-berkeley/795249-berkeley-engineering-admissions-vs-berkeley-l-s-admissions.html</a></p>
<p>Also see sheet 35
<a href=“http://academic-senate.berkeley.edu/committees/pdf_docs_consolidate/Hout_Report.pdf[/url]”>http://academic-senate.berkeley.edu/committees/pdf_docs_consolidate/Hout_Report.pdf</a>
CoE overall admission is 21% versus 27% for L&S (much of this difference is made by spring admission differences)</p>
<p>is it okay if I did not really write about engineering specifically in UC personal statements for Berkeley? I briefly touched upon it, and how I love science and research, but I didn’t talk about my specific major, chemE, at all. For UC #2 I didn’t even mention science. this okay? </p>
<p>my stats are: 2290, 35, nmsf, national ap scholar, rank 1, siemens semifinalist, published research, etc. etc. etc. my essay wouldn’t be that important would it?</p>
<p>you should be fine tomjones… i’d be surprised if you were rejected</p>
<p>Before, you could look up the statistics at [UndergraduateApplicantTables</a> < Main < TWiki](<a href=“http://osr2.berkeley.edu/twiki/bin/view/Main/UndergraduateApplicantTables]UndergraduateApplicantTables”>http://osr2.berkeley.edu/twiki/bin/view/Main/UndergraduateApplicantTables)</p>
<p>Unfortunately, their database is down right now…</p>
<p>in coe, you take fewer GE classes. enough said.</p>
<p>^Well that depends on how many of them you can AP out of. Also CoE students have to take the second half of R&C regardless how they do on AP/IB tests.</p>
<p>Also they have to take a whole bunch of Physics and EE stuff that might not directly help them with CS</p>
<p>Here is the rough contrast in schedules: I anticipate as a CS student, you’ll end up taking CS 61A-C (goes from a higher to nitty-grittier view in some sense), quite possibly CS 70 (discrete math stuff), and depending on interests, different upper division courses. And if you are EECS, you’ll end up also doing EE 20 and 40 (on signals and systems and microelectronics). Typically EE 20 is not a huge workload course, because it is mainly about guessing at math tricks. However, EE 40 is definitely a fast-paced class and covers lots of material. And EE 20 is probably not easy to do well in for most students, only those who find the math very easy to think about. You will have to do a reading/comp course, and take at least one series of humanities courses, meaning one lower and one upper division. </p>
<p>Whereas in L&S you have 7 general breadth requirements. Big difference: you can take all breadth requirements here P/NP, and while in EECS you could take the humanities stuff P/NP, it is incredibly adamant that any coursework whatsoever that is mathematical, scientific, or engineering-related in nature must be taken for a grade, whether or not for your major. I am quite certain this is not true for L&S. It’s something a friend of mine in EECS resents a lot, because adding a class P/NP is good incentive to work on it without having to worry too much. </p>
<p>I guess if one can find easy things to satisfy the L&S requirements with, while the number 7 makes things a bit of a pain, realistically in EECS you will take probably more than 2 humanities, take Physics 7B (which would have satisfied an L&S requirement), and take EE 20 and 40. </p>
<p>Realistically, unless you like EE, I think you’re getting a worse deal purely from coursework standpoint, for instance if you care only about computer science, which I guarantee many EECS majors are like.</p>
<p>This is all assuming that EE is not required for the L&S CS major. If it were, then I think you might as well do EECS to escape the extra breadth requirements.</p>
<p>[Undergraduate</a> L&S CS Students | EECS at UC Berkeley](<a href=“http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/csugrad/index.shtml#upperdiv]Undergraduate”>http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/csugrad/index.shtml#upperdiv)
CS doesn’t require EE</p>
<p>I’m not a CS major, but I believe they require EE42, which I think is comparable to EE100 and EE40.</p>