<p>Eagle, countering crazy with crazy is no solution :). Not all of us evolution-believers support rape you know, nor those of us who believe peace organizations will, sometimes, achieve peace.</p>
<p>Sometimes peace organizations do achieve peace! 
I’ve seen it done. Though I think Eagle was referring to extreme Social Darwinists, not all people who believe in evolution.</p>
<p>The best counter-argument is a reflection of the flawed argument (with a polarized twist)…Making similar statements, which are polar opposites to the original, make the original just that much more obviously flawed…The only way Prothero will ever feel like a modern-day Aristotle, is if he takes an extremely controversial and emotional stand on the issue of rape ---- it gets attention, and that’s all he’s looking for. The last thing CCers should do is fan his flames of fallacy.</p>
<p>A lot of “rape” claims by women are really not “rape”… A lot of times the women is confused and embarrassed and then claims rape afterward… For it to really be rape the women has to resist all she can and be overpowered by the rapist…</p>
<p>That said, real rape is a serious issue, and a terrible crime… but in no way does a rapist deserve execution… particularly in a day where justice is impaired by impartial juries and invalid evidence…</p>
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<p>haha those two are complete opposites.</p>
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<p>what if the woman’s drugged or even just intimidated?</p>
<p>“Your favorite read is probably The Origin of Species”</p>
<p>Book of tha Devil if I ever knew it!</p>
<p>“For it to really be rape the women has to resist all she can and be overpowered by the rapist…”</p>
<p>This is NOT TRUE at all, even in the slightest. If she says no, it’s rape. If the rapist does anything to hinder the victim’s ability, physically or otherwise, to say no-- it is still rape. You do are not required in any way shape or form to resist past, “NO.” Do you honestly think for a second you can have sex with a girl saying no and have it not be rape just because she didn’t try to physically overpower you? Darn near any man on the planet could beat me to death before I could even think to scream, fighting back in many cases could and would get me killed. You are so full of crap it’s almost FUNNY!</p>
<p>maybe he’s just ■■■■■■■■? Though to ■■■■■ on a rape thread is definitely a d!ck move.</p>
<p>Logicwarrior, those statements are out of the intended context. But, yes, in some ways you can be correct with your statement…though, that wasn’t the original purpose for saying them…historically those two can be seen as polar opposites — but only in general outlook and methods for their goals…</p>
<p>Prothero should talk less and read more. And for the record, his “arguments” are most akin to Nietzsche.</p>
<p>I agree with Twisted. As another poster (can’t remember which…sorry :/) aptly said: if a person doesn’t fight back against a robber, the robber is still committing a crime. Of course, if you freely hand over your money and the robber didn’t coerce you in any way, it is not a crime. No one is denying that false accusations of rape are tragic. It doesn’t mean a guy can legitimately say “it wasn’t rape…she never tried to take my gun!”</p>
<p>I dont understand why some people here think that rape should be guilty until proven innocent…Justice needs to be served in an unbiased way- the woman should not be seen as a victim until the facts are presented. INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN ABSOLUTELY GUILTY.</p>
<p>Also, if you think Prothero is just ■■■■■■■■ you need to start some serious deeper thinking.</p>
<p>Rape is seen as wrong in our society. Since you are all products of society, its normal for you to see rape as a negative light. But the truth is, what is the definition of “evil”? Society’s definition is the one most people accept. </p>
<p>You must look at a situation (rape) from ALL points of view to be unbiased. For example, most people in the western world would consider the holocaust to be an absolute act of evil, and never look at it form another standpoint. We judge it to be wrong, and have the power to do so because we won WW2. If Germany had won it, it would probably be seen as just another tragedy of war. Is either right?</p>
<p>The point is, no one is ever really right or wrong.</p>
<p>Also, are you guys serious when you accuse Prothero of being “sick”? Having a different opinion not seen positively in our society makes one “sick” now, huh?</p>
<p>Also, rape happens amongst many sexually reproducing animals (which humans are), so clearly from a biological standpoint, rape is good for continuation of a species. (along with killing etc) </p>
<p>Why is the biological standpoint not as valued as a moral standpoint? Because society tells you so.</p>
<p>guys there is no good and evil just herp and derp</p>
<p>“And for the record, his “arguments” are most akin to Nietzsche.”</p>
<p>An absolute insult to the greatness of Nietzsche.</p>
<p>By the way, using the laws of nature as a basis for morality is fallacious. We are not calling him “sick” because he disagrees. We are calling him sick because he doesn’t even believe what he is saying, he is just toying with the emotions of the victims in this thread. Also, I reserve the right to call the argument that rape is not necessarily wrong “sick.” Morals are not just arbitrary social constructs. </p>
<p>There are objective standards of truth and justice. If you can seriously say it’s okay to rape someone…I’m sorry (I’m usually very open minded) but you are SICK. Selling a 5 year old into sex slavery is SICK. Slaughtering people because of their religion, sexual orientation, or race is SICK. The Holocaust, genocide, rape…SICK. I really couldn’t care less about your moral relativism; some things are just WRONG. </p>
<p>The biological standpoint also would assert that we do not want aggressive (and psychotic) individuals reproducing. We do not want rapists reproducing (from a biological standpoint) because then society would likely decline. Competition is a good thing, again BIOLOGICALLY (since you seem to value that so much), because then only the “most desirable” males reproduce. Rape takes away competition. Then any man with a gun can reproduce. </p>
<p>Phew. Sorry for the rampage :/. Kind of a touchy subject…I’m usually nice, I promise! I also usually do not make a habit of arguing over the internet…but I couldn’t resist with this thread. </p>
<p><a href=“http://xkcd.com/386/[/url]”>http://xkcd.com/386/</a></p>
<p>So you definition of “sick” is anything outside of the society’s opinions? When did you decide for yourself that these acts were “sick”? Or did your education and peers tell you?</p>
<p>Im arguing another standpoint (which i dont believe) -thus is the only way to get truly unbiased opinions</p>
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<p>having a moral compass = blind obedience to society</p>
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<p>Or maybe we–shocking–have had personal experience with the topic at hand and have decided for ourselves that it’s a horrible affair.</p>
<p>I don’t understand why there NEEDS to be an unbiased opinion on rape? Why can’t we label it as “sick” and “wrong”? What “justice” are we serving ourselves by not labeling it as such?</p>
<p>oh man sam that image was pretty tired the first time you posted it.</p>