College sports realignment - Pac 12 implosion

UConn, Georgetown, Syracuse, Villanova

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St John, BC, Providence, Seton Hall, Pitt, UCONN

Pat Ewing, Chris Mullin, Ed Pinckney, Derrick Coleman, Ray Allen, The Pearl and Sherm Douglas and the list goes on and on including this stud along with the commentary that made Bill Raftery famous. Oh what great times
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Yeah, like when UNC with Michael Jordan and James Worthy and Sam Perkins beat Georgetown with Patrick Ewing for the National Championship in 1982? And NC State won it in 1983? ACC all the way!

I mean it’s not really close. The PAC-12 leads in Men’s bball championships due to UCLA’s amazing streak in the 1960s-1970s (which was broken by NC State in the 1974 game) but the old Big East teams do not come close to the ACC. The SEC has one game over the ACC but the Big East not close.

Does anything beat this?

I think we can all agree there’s been a lot of college hoop memories. No game is greater.

My favorite acc player is Johnny Dawkins. He reestablished the Duke dynasty in the 80s. The UNLV teams were unbeatable with Larry Johnson and Greg Anthony and Stacy Augmon and Anderson Hunt. Wow. So it went beyond the two conferences. Indiana and Steve Alford and Keith Smart beating my Orange. It hurt me that I almost chose IU for my MBA.

Just so many great times

This is pretty close:

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And love him or hate him, you have to admire Dickie V’s enthusiasm and this great Orange highlight by two of the college basketball greats.

And to stay on topic, realignment in its early days killed SU and the big east. But even for the hoop Mecca of SU and the record crowds the Dome delivered, football won out. Just like today.

@tsbna44 I do not have to admire Dickie V. He is nothing but annoying.

Booo! Hisss! on Johnny Dawkins and anything Duke.

UNLV was a bunch of crooks and pretty stoppable except for 1990 when they shellacked Duke. That’s the only year they won a championship.

National Championships won:
UConn: 5
Georgetown: 1
Syracuse: 1
Villanova: 3

UNC: 6
NC State: 2
Duke: 5

and also
Maryland: 1
Virginia: 1

You might also be interested in the win percentage in tournament games since 1985, which the ACC leads: https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/2019-02-28/how-every-conference-has-fared-march-madness-1985

UNC’s first NCAA National Championship was in 1957. (They had a pre-NCAA championship in 1924, too). Since the '80s UNC has won at least one National Championship every decade and as much as I hate them Duke has won at least one every decade since the '90s. UNC has been to the Final Four in every decade since the 1940s! No other school, even John Wooden’s UCLA teams, has been as often.

To me college basketball is the best sport. It’s the pace of basketball that gets me. If you mess up there’s almost always a chance to redeem yourself with an amazing assist or thundering dunk on the next play.

I’ll watch a college football game if it’s on, but I don’t care too much. I mean I’ll root for the 'Heels and think current QB Drake Maye has an amazing arm. It is fun to watch a well thrown pass or an amazing run, but I don’t like the violence and the head trauma. We often watch the puppy bowl instead of the Super Bowl.

I appreciate that much of the rest of the world thinks soccer/futbol is the best, but it is so much ‘almost, almost, almost, 
not quite’. Kind of the opposite of basketball.

Not really a baseball fan either. So slow.

Basketball is what we are raised on here in NC. Every backyard, school yard, apartment complex, park, etc, has a hoop. You can play it by yourself or one on one or with a team. Just the best game. And yes we really did watch the ACC tournament in public school. The teachers would wheel in the TVs and have the Friday games on. That’s how much basketball means in the state of North Carolina.

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Now somebody else can take this thread back to the football schools.

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Why? At some places basketball dominates🙂

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I don’t think any of the power 5 conferences allow schools to not have football and basketball, so if the remaining Pac 12 schools want to join another power conference, they have to keep football.

But I don’t think the schools can just consider football as to where they fit best or how hard it is going to be on other teams to travel coast to coast for half their seasons or change 3 time zones two or three weekends in a row.

Actually, I don’t really care what sport is being discussed so long as the post deals with some sport’s conference realignment.

So let’s move on from sharing favorite memories, debating whing player / team was the GOAT, etc

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The school presidents would agree with you, but the sports networks do not. Football is the $ king, and is driving realignment.

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Football is king. I don’t think anyone here disputes that fact. It’s the driver of the TV contracts and conference realignment.

But all college sports matter too. They’re not mutually exclusive statements. All produce some revenue, via ticket sales, bookstore sales, donations, etc.

Sports networks have to plug their TV schedules with other college sports besides football. They need college sports programming 365.

Speaking for myself, I have ESPNU, and I watch college hockey, soccer, LAX, basketball, of course, baseball and softball, when the tournament arrives, and gymnastics.

Highest paid college athletes?

  1. Bronny James (basketball)
  2. Olivia Dunne (gymnastics)

Do you think basketball or football is king at UConn? It’s not football. :grinning:

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That NIL money is staggering!

rumors are that the ACC is planning for a vote on Tuesday (or at least another straw poll).

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U of Denver doesn’t have football at all, but has national championships and teams that are competitive year after year in skiing, hockey (NCHA), lax (Big East). Women’s gymnastic doesn’t have a championship but is in the Big 12.

So schools can make it work without football. The shifting that is happening now is due to football, and I think all the teams from the PAC 12 still want to have football teams (and big TV contracts).

I don’t understand this statement. Women’s gymnastics doesn’t have a NCAA championship?

No sorry, I meant DU hasn’t won a championship in women’s gymnastics. It does have championships in the other sports - skiing, hockey and men’s lax (women’s lax made it to the semifinals this year) and they participate in all of those sports outside their conference (Summit).

As far as I know, it doesn’t have a big tv deal for any sports but hockey is often on TV and some sports can be streamed for a fee.

I can’t imagine there is any sports league that would court University of Connecticut for its football team. But they sure did (that’s happened already in the past) for the women’s and men’s basketball teams.