College Visit Overload...any advice?

<p>Day 6:</p>

<p>Lehigh: on an amazingly steep hill…a bicycle would be useless there. Very difficult to find even with a map. No signs in town, and one local we asked acted like she’d barely heard of it. Town has the classic steel mill ruins that seem kind of common in Pennsylvania. Campus buildings tend to be fortress-like stone structures that look like they could survive a direct hit from an artillery shell. One daughter was the only one of us who was particularly taken with it. Seemed like a polarizing place–if you like the architecture and don’t mind hills, the campus has lots of stunning Hogwarts-ish scenes. One building named Drinker Hall seemed appropriate given the school’s reputation for destroying more than a few livers.</p>

<p>Bucknell: Almost TOO perfect. Looked a bit like a Hollywood set. An army of maintenance workers was busy rectifying the few flaws that there were. Not in a residential neighborhood like Lehigh or Lafayette. All of us got a much better vibe from Lafayette.</p>

<p>Trip over; back home.</p>

<p>Schmaltz, everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but I had to laugh at your comments about Yale. You didn’t see anything to make you want to come back? Herein lies the folly of a 'drive bye".</p>

<p>Phenomenal theater- right there. Museum of British Art- free. The Yale museum- also free. The Beineke library- not only free, but one of the world’s most outstanding collections of rare books, and incredibly helpful archivists and librarians and scholars who will take the time to explain the collection or why a particular book on display is valuable. (Audobon etchings, anyone? Guttenberg bible?) Historically significant war memorials and free tour guides who will explain why. A tribute to all the Yale students who have died for our country which will make even the most ardent pacifist sob at their heroism and patriotism. Architecture which is studied by urban planners from all over the world (ranging from Federalist to Victorian to the newly completed school of architecture.) Landscaping and plantings and art and history; free lectures; free performances by their renowned school of music, etc.</p>

<p>There are scholars and entertainers and intellectuals and politicians from all over the world who regularly find an excuse to lecture or perform or attend an event at Yale- and it ain’t for the pizza.</p>

<p>I am sad you settled for a drive bye- the campus is a phenomenal treasure trove, and other than the Rep and the Long Wharf, virtually everything else is free and open to the public.</p>

<p>I think we don’t have to have opinions. If it’s a fun trip for his family then it’s great. And it’s done accordingly to the schedule.</p>

<p>There are no doubt many great museums, plays, historic artifacts at Yale. That isn’t disputed. But there are wonderful interesting things everywhere…even in my hometown of Detroit.</p>

<p>I’ve been to a lot of countries, and have been in a lot of museums, cathedrals, and palaces. I think the amount to be learned from such things is often WAY overrated. I think it’s very possible to ponder religion without a Bible that’s very old, and very possible to ponder nature directly without Audobon’s help. I spent 10 yrs in the US Navy, so I don’t need help being touched by servicemen’s sacrifices.</p>

<p>Schmaltz, I enjoyed reading about your trip. We just got back Sunday night from our whirlwind college tour. In just over 5 days we traveled over 2000 miles and toured 6 colleges on 4 of those days (1+2+2+1). It got to be the family joke when we saw signs on the highway for a college, university, community college, or technical school to say “should we take a tour?” or “have you considered ______________?”</p>

<p>Just my opinion, I don’t think you get a good sense at all of a school by driving by, especially in summer and not much going on. And if you do want to, I would keep it to a minimum because it will blur all together. I don’t think it is stupid at all to have early teens drive by a college campus but 25 in one trip? They will get bored. But I know your intentions are good.</p>

<p>In our case, (D is a rising hs senior) our list is just beginning to crystallize as gpa and scores are coming in. She has visited 6 colleges so far, info. Sessions and tours, and I have been to 5 of them with her over the last few months and even that feels like a lot!</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>Thanks for the including us in the trip Schmaltz. I have to say, with your unshakeable upbeat attitude and relentless scheduling it did start to feel like “University Vacation: The Griswolds Go To College-World”; good going Clark.</p>

<p>As for making choices based on first impressions, like it or not that’s how a lot of life gets decided. Very few of us turn to our buddies and say, “Hey guys, check her out! Now there’s someone I want to get into recurring arguments with about who has to pick up the kids from practice.” If you can’t see yourself in a place all the facts in the world aren’t going to make you feel better about it.</p>

<p>As a rising senior, I honestly think such superficial visits are meaningless. You could just as easily go to Google Earth and “visit” the world.</p>

<p>I visited Princeton campus with no intention of ever applying - just drove past it, and walked around some of the campus (no more than an hour) - and what impact did it leave on me? It was a really nice-looking place. But then, that description probably fits thousands of schools across the nation, and I remember nothing extraordinary or detailed about Princeton. I simply remember it was a very pleasant environment, but that hasn’t put Princeton on my “apply” list.</p>

<p>All a whirlwind tour will tell you is that many schools are “good-looking”, and that won’t be useful, especially before junior year - quick visits won’t leave a lasting impression. A proper tour of a few “model” schools representing contrasting conditions (city/rural, big/small, north/south, etc.) would serve a far more useful purpose in narrowing down college choices.</p>

<p>If you really must visit many schools in a short period of time, have child write a couple pages after each visit about everything that stuck out to them and what they thought. If it’s not on paper, it’ll be hard to remember any differences between the campuses.</p>

<p>Bring your laptop and camera, and take pictures. Categorize them. That way, when you look back on them, you’ll know exactly which is which and so forth. They’re also an awesome visualization tool.</p>

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<p>LOL. That would make a great movie—Clark dragging Rusty and Audrey kicking and screaming through a whirlwind tour of 25 colleges in 7 days, inadvertently sewing mayhem wherever they went, with a stop at Cousin Eddie’s thrown in for a change of pace. Schmaltz, you should see if you can sell someone in Hollywood the concept. I’ll bet there’s a market for it.</p>

<p>Schmaltz, I’m glad you and your family got something out of the tour. My observation would be that a lot of people want to tell you about the “right way” and “wrong way” to visit colleges, based on their own experience. But kids are different and families are different. People can only speak to you from their experience, and their experience isn’t universal. We’ve done a lot of college tours with our daughters, including some when they were quite young. Some of those trips have been a bit of a whirlwind because there were a lot of colleges we wanted to see, and limited time. Never just strictly drive-bys in our case–though we did intersperse a few drive-bys and/or walk-arounds of low priority colleges among the more substantial visits, and often learned something from them. We never tried to do nearly as many as 25 in a week (or whatever this trip ended up being), but we’ve done as many as 9 in a week, most of them real visits with at least a tour or, when workable, both a tour and info session and some hanging out time on or near the campus. We’ve found this very informative and productive. And we’ve always gotten resistance from some people on CC: “No, your daughters are too young, they won’t be interested.” “Don’t visit colleges in the summertime; you won’t learn anything if the students aren’t there.” “Don’t visit more than 1 a day, or they’ll all blur together.” “Don’t visit more than 3 or 4 in a trip, or they’ll all blur together.” “You can’t possibly see colleges in Pennsylvania, New York, and New England in a 1-week trip; too much driving, the distances are too great, the traffic’s bad, it’s impossible.” “You can’t schedule a tour at Wellesley in the morning and at Brown in the afternoon; that’s logistically impossible” (but in fact, it’s about a 45-minute drive and entirely doable). Most of that advice turned out to be nonsense. Or perhaps more charitably, not nonsense insofar as it was well-intentioned advice based on some other family’s experience, but it was not the best advice for my family, given the time and money constraints we had and the level of our daughters’ interest in colleges in general and certain colleges in particular. And given our Midwestern tolerance for driving longer distances than Northeasterners are accustomed to, and our savvy about how to get from point A to point B in the Northeast efficiently, and to find efficient alternate routes when confronted with traffic delays, based on years of having lived in the Northeast. </p>

<p>It’s easy enough for people in New England, for example, to say you should visit colleges in the Fall, and one at a time. But for people in the Midwest wanting to visit New England colleges, the Fall usually doesn’t work at all for scheduling purposes, and seeing far-away colleges one at a time would consume enormous amounts of time and money; and New England colleges are very close together, making it quite easy to string them together. It’s easy enough for parents to think that because their own kids had no interest in colleges as HS freshmen or sophomores, that must be universally true; but that thought, however well-intentioned, would be in error, because some kids definitely are interested and ready to begin thinking about colleges, and what appeals to them and what doesn’t, as early as HS freshman or sophomore year. I know, because both of my daughters were.</p>

<p>“As a rising senior, I honestly think such superficial visits are meaningless. You could just as easily go to Google Earth and “visit” the world.”</p>

<p>Baloney. I did plenty of research on the internet, and not one college we visited was accurately represented in online photos. Anybody familiar with Plato’s levels of reality knows there is going to be a difference between photos and the real thing. Nothing you see online can convince you that Lehigh is as hilly as it is or that Colgate is as isolated as it is. And so on.</p>

<p>bclintok: post #151 is full of accurate insight. Thanks. You’re exactly right…in the college tour game, perfection is tough to come by. You go when you can, make calculated trade-offs re # of colleges and length of visits, etc.</p>

<p>It sounds like you had a great trip, Schmaltz, and really…that is all that matters. It gave you and your family some good insights and food for thought. </p>

<p>Gotta say…hope you get back to Lafayette! We tried (unsuccessfully) to get our DD to apply there…but she wanted warm weather. If you return, go to the Crayola factory…fun for all ages.</p>

<p>“hope you get back to Lafayette!”</p>

<p>Going into the trip, I suspected that the Patriot League schools were more my daughters’ speed than Ivy or NESCAC schools. That proved to be true, though the individual schools turned out to be quite different than expected.</p>

<p>Going in, I thought the preference would be:

  1. Bucknell
  2. Colgate
  3. Lafayette
  4. Lehigh
  5. Holy Cross</p>

<p>It ended up being:</p>

<ol>
<li>Lafayette
2-3. Holy Cross and Colgate
4-5 Lehigh and Bucknell</li>
</ol>

<p>Wow! That sounds like a great trip to me. We visited some of those and probably spent more time on campus than you did (but not all day), but I’d say we left with some similar impressions. Overall, when you are merely amassing a potential pool of candidates, I have to agree that seeing more - even if for only a short time - is bertter. There are plenty of filters to apply once you get into the details as part of the process. Great job. Hope you guys had fun.</p>

<p>Oops, too late. I have a 12-college trip planned over a week that I’m going on two weeks for now. I’m planning on keeping a really detailed record and taking a categorizing all my photos though. And this is pretty much my last opportunity to have a chance to visit the Northeast, which is a couple hundred miles away from my home.</p>

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I agree with this. You need to do ‘real’ visits, otherwise it’s not that helpful.</p>

<p>As of now there has been no problem with the kids keeping the various schools straight in their minds. This is probably because of the 22 schools we visited, almost half were either not serious contenders right from the start (such as Wellesley, MIT, and RPI, which were drive-bys just because they were right on the way) or were quickly scratched due to neighborhood or unappealing appearance (eg, Trinity, RIT, Syracuse, NYU).</p>

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<p>A COUPLE of pages? For each visit? Admirable, but a sure way to get the kids who were in my house to hate whatever school they looked at!</p>

<p>whoa! thats alot of colleges. waay too much.</p>

<p>I visited 2 colleges. Applied for 1. Went to that 1. </p>

<p>Not saying thats the right way to do it (probably isn’t), but you cant visit every freakin campus. Narrow it down.</p>

<p>When it comes down to it, alot of the campus tour guides, will tell you the same exact thing…talk about sports games, how their school spirit is so grand…etc. And there is only so many ways to design a buidling. You’ll get more relevant degree/admissions info from the school websites then you will on site.</p>