^Ah, I see. You guys are actually using different denominators. @CrewDad is using the number of enrolled students; @Chembiodad is using the number of SAT takers. Have at it.
@CrewDad , the data you noted in posting #18 has little to do with the incorrect math noted in posting #12…
That said, once again the data is useful in noting that the median ACT’s included in the CSD for each school is very close:
Amherst 31-34
Brown 31-34
Hamilton 31-33
Wesleyan would also be of a similar academic profile at 30-33.
@circuitrider, I am using the number of enrolled that submitted the SAT as the denominator - that amount is 174. The enrolled students that scored 1400-1600 is 127. 124/174=71.26%
I’m not sure that #18 is any better. Hamilton’s admission yield is currently, and has been in other recent years, ~35%, for example.
Which easily can be adjusted for using the avaliable data, as @Chembiodad did. Actually, if this adjustment is not made, the resulting figures will represent, essentially, nothing (as in #12).
Vassar would also be within range at 30-33, as would Tufts at 31-34. That said, the campus’ are all very different, so not certain how easy it is to match Brown’s academic profile, size, location and open curriculum.
One the problems with comparing test scores is that almost 19% (CDS) of Hamilton’s enrolled students didn’t submit ACT or SAT test results.
@CrewDad, actually its 16.8% that choose to submit 3 scores; its a very specific policy for those who want the details https://www.hamilton.edu/admission/apply/requirements
There aren’t any Test Optional choices at Hamilton, although that option is available at Bowdoin and Wesleyan.
16.8% is from the Hamilton website and not yet part of the CDS. I’m comparing the CDS numbers. Let’s see if Hamilton publishes the 16.8% number in next years CDS
I understated IB, AP, etc., tests can be submitted in lieu of the ACT/SAT.
I familiar with a number of students who aced AP and IB tests but had very disappointing SAT/ACT scores.
My D scored not far bellow the maximum 45 point on her IB exams. She completed the very rigorous Diploma Programme. Her SAT scores did not reflect that accomplishment.
You can’t compare apples to oranges.
^Everyone at Wesleyan has to submit their scores (assuming they have them) once they matriculate.
@CrewDad, that was your comparison. I never discounted the value of other tests that are allowed for submission by Test Flexible schools such as Hamilton.
@Circuitrider, the CDS data doesn’t include test results that aren’t submitted for submission and are rather used by schools for placement purposes only. That said for the the 76% that did submit test scores, Wesleyan increased by 1 point for the Class of 2021 with a median ACT of 33 as compared to 32 for the prior 4 years.
Re #27, I wonder, though, what “happens” to scores (that is, do they appear externally?) that were not considered for purposes of admission (this is an open-ended thought, and not school specific).
I had assumed they would be used for placement purposes when applicable; I do know that Hamilton uses SAT/ACT and AP scores for 100 level Calculus placement.
Chem - I think we’re on the verge of being argumentative, here, but just for the record the Wesleyan website is pretty clear:
Note the words, “institutional research” which would include something like filling out the CDS form.
@Chembiodad : I think they serve a function for institutional analysis and, in some cases, compliance with athletic regulations.
@circuitrider, this is all the CDS states “Percent and number of first-time, first-year (freshman) students enrolled in Fall 2016 who submitted national standardized (SAT/ACT) test scores. Include information for ALL enrolled, degree-seeking, first-time, first-year (freshman) students who submitted test scores. Do not include partial test scores (e.g., mathematics scores but not critical reading for a category of students) or combine other standardized test results (such as TOEFL) in this item. Do not convert SAT scores to ACT scores and vice versa. Do convert New SAT scores (2016) to Old SAT scores using the College Board’s concordance tools and tables (Score Comparisons – SAT Suite | College Board).”
^So?
@circuitrider, means nothing - never had an issue with the way Wesleyan represented the data or the data itself as its a wonderful school.
This hairball began in posting #12.
OP, as I noted in posting #23 “That said, the campus’ are all very different, so not certain how easy it is to match Brown’s academic profile, size, location and open curriculum.”
Fwiw- if the OP is looking for a school like Brown, I don’t think Hamilton is going to fit the bill. Sure, the open curriculum, and smart kids are a comment denominator, but the vibe, size, location, demographics- all very different.
Wesleyan a closer match, even Vassar and Bard
@wisteria, actually there’s a lot of cross applications to Brown, Hamilton and Wesleyan given open curriculum, academic profile, vibe, demographics. While only 2 kids opinions, DD’s felt Vassar had a different vibe than others due to male/female ratio.
That said, as the OP asked “I’m interested in Brown and was wondering if anyone could suggest similar schools. I like the open curriculum, size, and the “Brown bubble” while it’s still in a city.”, I’m not certain that there is a great match as few are in a city location as cool as East Providence has become; maybe Tufts, but it doesn’t have the same campus feel and isn’t an open curriculum.
Thanks for your help! I’m mostly looking for a similar campus feel and edge of a city location.
There was a wonderful illuminating article a few years back by Bard alumnus Matt Taibbi in “Town and Country” called “Is Bard the New Brown?” http://www.townandcountrymag.com/leisure/arts-and-culture/reviews/a2307/bard-college-profile/