<p>In many state univs it is absolutely true that OOS kids must meet a different standard from IS applicants (Ex: The state legisl of Virginia mandates a certain percentage of Wm & Mary students be Virginians – while the school is still competitive for Virginians, they have places saved for them and no one else does). So for OOS the school in ques is quite selective, even reaching Ivy levels of difficulty of admission.</p>
<p>Effectively, these schools have a 2 tier admissions program.</p>
<p>Haha – PCP, don’t you remember the thread about newmassdad’s very accomplished D, in which it was revealed that the thought of kids from suburban Boston – even kids from well-to-do families – venturing anywhere that might require a plane ride was horrifyingly frightening? </p>
<p>I’m surprised how much provincialism there still is, frankly. I would have thought the more sophisticated parts of the country would be ahead of the game in recognizing quality colleges all over the country. Some of the threads about people who don’t recognize anything beyond top 10 or top 20 make me laugh – they are so stuck in a time warp, and clearly not reflecting thought leadership. It’s little different from the parts of the midwest or south where they don’t recognize much beyond State U. It’s still provincial thinking, just different provinces.</p>
<p>Have you looked at The Citadel in SC? They certainly apply inertia to the behind! They have a very well regarded eng. program and a school of BA.</p>
<p>I am not a big one for military academies but my cousin inlaw’s son went there and they adore the place. Students become family to each other. I realize it is a state school but they were OS.</p>
<p>Sadly, the young man died in a freak car accident last year. The support of the entire school community, especially his classmates, to the family was tremendous.</p>
<p>All schools that are respected internationally are very selective. That’s a major reason they are respected internationally in the first place. </p>
<p>There aren’t many schools that qualify as “internationally respected” to be honest. The only ones I’ve seen mentioned in this thread are UC Berkeley and to a lesser extent UCLA. However it’s difficult to classify these schools as anything less than “quite selective” for in-state applicants, and “highly selective” for everyone else.</p>
<p>Pizzagirl, you could add that many of the kids who think they are not being provincial by going to a different region wind up at a school which is basically Long Island South–such as Emory, Tulane or Miami, all of which are fine schools, but as Northern as Southern schools get, or Oberlin, which is more stereotypically Eastern than any Pennsylvania school not in Philly or Pittsburgh. Then again, Southerners long viewed Princeton as their “home Ivy” and Californians find a lot of friends from home at NYU.</p>
<p>Uh, I must be getting old because I don’t remember :(. The fear of leaving home turf (is there a -phobia word for this?) doesn’t have anything to do with a distant school’s prestige, does it? I mean, I can recognize Oxford’s prestige, even though I may not want to leave or fear leaving Fargo, right?</p>
<p>I think you’re off in your Duke comment. About 135 out of each entering class (approximately 8%) come from the state of NY. An even smaller number hail from Long Island. </p>
<p>Interesting that Duke puts PA, NJ and DE (and MD) in Midatlantic (17%)rather than Northeast (14%) . On a Midwest vs. Northeast thread, the Midwesterners thought I was crazy for drawing that distinction.</p>
<p>Amherst College
Barnard College
Boston College
Bowdoin College
Brandeis University
Brown University
California Institute of Techonology
Carleton College
Carnegie Mellon University
Case Western Reserve University
Claremont McKenna College
Colby College
Colgate University
College of New Jersey, The
College of the Holy Cross
College of William and Mary
Columbia University/
Columbia College
Columbia University/FU Foundation
School of Engineering and Applied
Science
Connecticut College
Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art
Cornell University
Dartmouth College
Davidson College
Duke University
Emory University
George Washington University, The
Georgetown University
Hamilton College
Harvard College
Harvey Mudd Coolege
Haverford College
Johns Hopkins University, The
Kenyon College
Lafayette College
Macalaster College
Massachusetts Institute
of Technology
Middlebury College
New York University
Northwestern University
Oberlin College
Occidental College
Pomona College
Princeton University
Reed College
Rice University
Scripps College
Smith College
Stanford University
Swarthmore College
Tufts University
United States Military Academy at West Point
United States Naval Academy
University of California
at Los Angeles (UCLA)
University of Chicago
University of Miami
University of North Carolina at Chapel
Hill, The
University of Notre Dame
University of Pennsylvania
University of Richmond
University of Rochester
University of Southern California
University of Virginia
Vanderbilt University
Vassar College
Wake forest University
Washington and Lee University
Washington University in St. Louis
Webb Institute
Wellesely College
Wesleyan University
Williams College
Yale University</p>
<p>With all due respect, I’m sure there are rankings of all types out there and we may even be able to find some that exclude the likes of JHU and Northwestern from the list of “Most Competitive”, but I don’t believe schools like Cal and Stanford are what the OP had in mind (see post#3). </p>
<p>C’mon, the S in HYPSM and the premier public university in the country? Btw, I don’t doubt there are some undergrad majors in Cal that are easier to get in than others, but it is extremely difficult for an OOS to get in to some majors, e.g., Electrical Engineering.</p>