<p>OMG. Can we please be serious? 90% of the schools listed on this thread are not well-respected. I’m not going to name names but I think we all know who are the suspects. I think people are just listing colleges they can relate to or schools they have heard someone else mention.</p>
<p>Sally, I thought you said let’s list colleges that are “highly-respected.” I’m from New York and I can tell you that CUNYs are not well-respected. With the exception of Baruch and their Business school especially, CUNYs are filled with students who didn’t do so hot in high school. Most of them actually did terrible. Smart kids are the minorities their and it’s mostly due to finances with another “well-respected” college. Anyway like fightchoke said, this thread is an epic “fail!”</p>
<p>First let’s get the selectivity bracket straightened</p>
<p>Less selective - 55-100% admission rate
selective - 35%-55%
Very selective- 20%-35%
Highly selective- <20% (Ivys, top 20, top 10 LAC)</p>
<p>Get it now?</p>
<p>Now If I had to create a list of respectable colleges that aren’t highly selective, it would look like this:</p>
<p>URochester
Tulane
RPI
UMichigan
UVA
U of Ill-Urbana
UT- Austin
Syracuse
UGA
Georgia Tech
BU
U-Richmond
NYU
UNC- Chapel Hill
Carnegie Mellon
Wake Forest
Penn State</p>
<p>let’s also keep in mind that being highly respected isn’t only based on an Undergraduate program or selectivity of the program. Research is also what garners a University’s fame and prestige.</p>
<p>House of London, to reiterate what’s already beed pointed out by others, some of these state U’s are highly selective for OOS students, in fact have acceptance rates and stats among accepted OOS students that match the Ivies. Chapel Hill in particular…</p>
<p>“House of London, to reiterate what’s already beed pointed out by others, some of these state U’s are highly selective for OOS students, in fact have acceptance rates and stats among accepted OOS students that match the Ivies. Chapel Hill in particular…”</p>
<p>It absolutely does not matter. Holistically it is not as highly selective and we’re talking a holistic selectivity. UNC’s out of state selectivity levels out their in-state. For all we know, they may be taking the best and the brightest out of state but the dumbest in-state. Same goes for Michigan. The last time I checked UNC’s stats, they had an acceptance rate of about 34%. And from a source on this site, their OOS acceptance rate was 18%. So for them to average out a 34% overall acceptance rate, they must be taking 50% or above of their In state applicants applicants. So you be the judge now.</p>
<p>House of London - UNC is definitely not taking the “dumbest” in-state. The issue with a lot of public universities is that a lot of the top students (especially in-state) use them as backups for top privates, so the acceptance rate is skewed.</p>
<p>House of London…many schools on your list have been mentioned here on this thread early on. </p>
<p>I disagree with you about UNC-Chapel Hill and NYU. Sally asked for schools that may be likely bets for elite college applicants. UNC-Chapel Hill for OOS applicants is not a sure bet for anyone. NYU, with its low acceptance rate would not be a sure bet. For an elite college applicant, it would be a Match.</p>
<p>"many schools on your list have been mentioned here on this thread early on. "</p>
<p>Many of them weren’t mentioned enough and as a result, they were eclipsed by schools that aren’t so respected.</p>
<p>Of course UNC & NYU are likely bets for elite college applicants. Let’s remember that one should not apply in the first place to a top 10 school if he/she doesn’t even have the qualifications to make top 30 or even top 50. And please, let’s not be cliche and say “Not all colleges are the same” If one “almost” made it into schools like Penn, Columbia or Yale (waitlist perhaps?) then one can make it into NYU or UNC. That is, unless these schools feel insecure that students wouldn’t enroll due to gaining admission from more prestigious schools. So NYU & UNC remain on my list.</p>
<p>“UNC-Chapel Hill for OOS applicants is not a sure bet for anyone.”</p>
<p>Please read my previous post.</p>
<p>“I think the thread has gone far off the trail toward the production of anything meaningful unless the mission is more clearly defined.”</p>
<p>Her mission is clearly defined. Read it again. It’s just that when you list schools such as Depauw, CUNYs, Kalamazoo etc. you start to wonder are we really listing “highly respectable” colleges??</p>
<p>"They’re selective BECAUSE they’re respected.
They’re respected BECAUSE they’re selective. "</p>
<p>Ignorance at it’s best. You should research more. No pun intended, but sometimes the respect that a college receives doesn’t have to do with anything related to it’s undergraduate program but rather it’s involvement in RESEARCH. People value schools and professors that add to the betterment of life.</p>
<p>Sokkermom, I read Sally’s post differently than you, it seems. I believe she was asking for well known colleges that would be likely bets for an Ivy caliber student AND would be in the realistic range for a very good, but not stellar student. Put in other terms, this might mean safety schools for tippy top students OR Match schools for very good, but not tippy top, students. I did not take it to mean Match schools for tippy top students. </p>
<p>For example, Northeastern or George Washington would be a Safety/Likely for a tippy top Ivy caliber student, but it would be a Match/Realistic/Ballpark school for a very good, but not stellar student. Those are very rough terms of course.</p>
<p>House of London, we will just have to disagree. UNC-Chapel Hill’s admit rate of 18% OOS are too difficult odds to be called a sure bet for any OOS student, even an Ivy caliber one. It would be a realistic ballpark match for such a student, however. </p>
<p>For an Ivy caliber student, I think NYU would not be a sure bet safety but would be on the easier end of Match/Realistic/Ballpark. Sort of like a borderline Match/Safety, but not a 100% sure bet.</p>
<p>“But we’re talking about colleges (undergraduate programs).”</p>
<p>Obviously, but some people are lead to believe that a school is only respected because of it’s undergraduate program. If it’s undergraduate program is not stellar then the school is not valued and that is simply not the true.</p>
<p>“A Clearly defined mission would reduce the subjectivity and establish clearly defined parameters to be used in the evaluation process.”</p>
<p>And you believe that people are going to all of the sudden not be subjective about it if the mission is indeed “defined”? Nope. People are still going to use their imagination input what they believe is a “Highly respected school that isn’t highly selective” Like, what’s going on in this thread.</p>
<p>“NC-Chapel Hill’s admit rate of 18% OOS are too difficult odds to be called a sure bet for any OOS student, even an Ivy caliber one. It would be a realistic ballpark match for such a student, however”</p>
<p>We can agree to disagree but I want you to pretend the only colleges that are in the US are in North Carolina and everyone in the country and out of the country are trying to get in. Now you tell me how you would assess their selectivty in terms of in state vs OOS.</p>
<p>sokkermom, I do understand your point about reputation and recognition. </p>
<p>I was just responding to the point about “realistic” schools and that I think she was asking for reaslistic/ballpark schools for very good but not top students but then for the top students, she was asking about well regarded likely schools.</p>
<p>Well known?? Who spoke of well-known?? From what I picked up, it was “highly respected colleges” which means those who actually do know of said college know of it for something good. We sure are interpreting the thread title differently.</p>
<p>“Some of the (LAC) colleges mentioned in this thread are defined by their undergraduate programs.”</p>
<p>Yes, LACs are special types of schools. Their prestige ‘solely’ comes from the reputation of their undergraduate programs.</p>
<p>It also was discussed earlier on the thread that part of the recognition/reputation factor is regional and what is well known or well regarded in one region of the country is less so in another region (though Sally did stipulate that they be highly respected on a national scale).</p>
<p>Yes, “well respected” also has to do with BY WHOM. </p>
<p>This was also brought up earlier in the thread in terms of one’s academic/career field. A college can be very well respected in one particular career field and not as well regarded generally speaking. Some tippy top programs in certain fields are within less regarded or even less selective colleges.</p>
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