Colleges Victim Blame, Turn A Blind Eye To Sexual Assault

<p>The NCJRS study is pretty interesting, but it has obvious limitations. First, it studied only two large public universities. So can we stop extrapolating those findings to every other college, including Harvard? Second, it revealed that there were more than twice as many cases of sexual assault due to the drug or alcohol incapacitation of the victim than there were cases of rape with force–and the likelihood of this happening to a woman increased significantly with how often she got drunk.</p>

<p>Also, the report is full of conclusory value statements that have nothing to do with the data (such as by saying that all fault lies with the “perpetrator,” even in cases in which both were drunk).</p>

<p>^I went to Harvard and can assure you that date rate occurred there too.</p>

<p>I’m sure it does, but the NCJRS is a fairly slender reed upon which to say that one in five of all college women at all colleges have been raped, even if you define rape to include incapacitated sex.</p>

<p>Hanna, I am not just saying all schools need to report to the police any assaults, threats, rapes, etc. I am saying any, everyone should. You had better believe that I would report it to the police if some came and reported something like that. What the heck am I supposed to do? Pat the girl on the back and give her platitudes? That’s why the Catholic Church is in so much trouble. </p>

<p>If I were a dean or a professor or anyone at a college and a young woman complains about being raped, or a student is threatened, yes, I would call the police and notify whoever is supposed to deal with these things at the school. </p>

<p>Friends of ours had a frightening OD experience at their house. The college kids were using drugs, and someone took too much. 911 was immediately called. That is not something to fool around with. If it’s a rape situation, you gotta call the police and get lawyer if one of your own is involved. </p>

<p>Schools that are not doing this are at risk of getting into a lot of trouble. Plus ii is wrong. It is up to the police to tell the alleged victim whether any prosecution can be done, or there is insufficient evidence, not yours.</p>

<p>I read the report, and I agree with Hunt’s evaluation.</p>

<p>I also think that classifying sex when both parties are drunk as “rape” is simply ludicrous. If she is too drunk to consent, so is he. The difference between unwise sex and forcible rape is huge, and treating them as the same thing does a huge disservice to victims of forcible rape.</p>

<p>As a woman, and dyed-in-the-wool feminist, I think that women need to take responsibility for their own actions. Getting wasted, going to a guy’s bedroom and making out with him, having sex, then thinking better of it later–or even in the middle of it–does not make the guy a rapist. Although I may be jumped on for daring to say it, I also think that the phenomenon of a person deliberately indulging in order to excuse themselves for doing something they really want to but think they shouldn’t–like have sex–can come into play here. This is not dissimilar to the teenage girl who won’t go on the pill because doing so means she is actively planning to have sex…and “good girls” don’t PLAN to have sex, they are just swept away by the overwhelming passion of the moment. Yeah, right.</p>

<p>The 1 in 5 number doesn’t come from the NCJRS study (which is why I posted it, rather than the study that does state it.)</p>

<p>A person who commits rape is a rapist. Two drunk people, having sex, one says “stop, I don’t want to do this!”, the other continues, it is rape. In every state that I know of. Two drunk people, neither says anything, one is incapacitated so couldn’t have given consent, other continues, it is rape in most states. Two drunk people, one drunk but NOT incapacitated or not known to be, it is not likely to be rape (though in 8 states it is iffy). </p>

<p>And it doesn’t matter if it occurs on campus or off. There are degrees of rape in most states (1st, 2nd, and 3rd), and these circumstances will usually determine which degree it is. But it is still rape, and a person who commits rape is, by definition, a rapist.</p>

<p>Forcible sexual assault is more common.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.thesantaclara.com/2.14535/sexual-assaults-an-underreported-reality-in-college-1.1870131[/url]”>http://www.thesantaclara.com/2.14535/sexual-assaults-an-underreported-reality-in-college-1.1870131&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>(Sorry, this one doesn’t light up as a link - paste it in, it gives how California courts have defined rape.)</p>

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<p>Where does it come from?</p>

<p>An earlier DOJ study. (Know as the Fisher study, 2000)</p>

<p>“The National College Women Sexual Victimization Study estimated that between 1 in 4 and 1 in 5 college women experience completed or attempted rape during their college years (Fisher 2000).”</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/182369.pdf[/url]”>http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/182369.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Posted on Mon, Jan. 06, 2003 State court defines rape RULING: WOMAN MAY WITHDRAW CONSENT AT ANY POINT By Michelle Guido Mercury News</p>

<p>The California Supreme Court on Monday created one of the country’s toughest standards on what constitutes rape, ruling that if a woman withdraws consent at any point during sex but her partner refuses to stop, it becomes rape.</p>

<p>The decision removes one of the last gray areas on a woman’s right to say no. Rape crisis counselors hailed the ruling, saying it sends a bold message – especially to young women who are sometimes confused about whether they can change their minds once a sex act is under way.</p>

<p>The 6-1 decision clears up conflicting definitions that California courts have grappled with in recent years. In 1985, an appellate court ruled that continuing after consent has been withdrawn during intercourse doesn’t constitute rape, but in 2000, another California appellate court ruled that it did.</p>

<p>``Forcible rape occurs when, during apparently consensual intercourse, the victim expresses an objection and attempts to stop the act and the defendant forcibly continues despite the objection,‘’ Justice Ming W. Chin wrote in Monday’s ruling.

Supreme courts in at least five other states have ruled it is rape if a woman withdraws consent at any time and her partner doesn't stop. But women's advocates caution that, particularly in rape cases in which the victim knows her offender, juries still will be faced with the difficult task of deciding whom to believe when it comes to consent.

I think it could be a pretty huge ruling, but I don't know how many people will run with it because it might be challenging to prove withdrawn consent in court,'' said Lara Aziz, client services coordinator for the YWCA in Santa Clara Valley.It's hard enough to prove cases that seem like slam dunks because a lot of blame still lies with the victim.''

Still, she said, the ruling could help rape-prevention educators clarify the issue, particularly for young women.

El Dorado County case

In the case out of El Dorado County, a 17-year-old girl initially consented to have sex with a 17-year-old boy at a party. After intercourse had begun, she resisted and told the boy that she had to go home. He repeatedly asked her to give me some time,'' but she kept saying,No, I have to go home.'' He did not stop until several minutes later. He was found guilty of rape and sentenced to spend time at a youth ranch.

The justices upheld that decision, finding the girl ``withdrew her consent and, through her actions and words, communicated that fact.''

But the ruling still failed to define when the boy should have stopped, wrote Justice Janice Rogers Brown in a dissenting opinion.

Ten seconds? Thirty? A minute? Is persistence the same thing as force?'' she wrote.And even if we conclude persistence should be criminalized in this situation, should the penalty be the same as for forcible rape?''

The issue of withdrawing consent comes up most often in cases of date rape -- in which a victim knows her offender -- and among high school or college-age women.

Young women are often confused about whether they can back out once things get heavy, said Jeanne Zeamba, a health educator at Santa Clara University who is developing a program for students to counsel other students on issues such as rape and sexual assault.

``Sometimes women seem a little surprised that they do have that power -- the power to say no at any time,'' she said.

Monday's ruling might drive home that point, said Nicole Aeschleman, 22, a law student at Santa Clara University who participated in the peer program.

It's really important for women to know that if you change your mind and say this is not something I want to go through with, the law will back you up,'' she said.If we can get the word out that no matter when it happens -- it doesn't matter at what point you say no -- if he doesn't stop, that's rape.''

Legal conflict resolved

Deputy Attorney General John McLean called the Supreme Court's ruling a ``common-sense opinion.''

``This is making absolutely clear that when consent is withdrawn after an act begins, that's still going to be rape,'' he said.

Carol Foster, a Sacramento attorney for the boy in the case, said she was disappointed with the decision because she believed that once the victim consented, her client ceased in a ``reasonable'' amount of time.

What does the law say, is he to stop that split second?'' Foster said.I was looking for the court to go further in the definitions of these questions because I think they are going to come up in future cases.''

But she said the ruling did resolve the conflict of law that has existed in California.

It's about time for such a progressive state on women's issues, said Gina McClard, associate director of the National Crime Victim Law Institute in Portland, Ore.

Today's opinion is so important for the women of California, in fact women everywhere, because it upholds the sanctity of a woman's body,'' she said.In essence, the court has established a rule of law that `no means no.' ''</p>

<p>Thank you, Consolation. My thoughts exactly. BCEagle91, your post #45 is right on.</p>

<p>What about studies that take into account rapes of males, either by males or females? Do such studies exist?</p>

<p>According to Mini’s post, if a girl hates a boy bad enough, she could use this ruling to set up a trap and get the boy in deep trouble. So folks, teach your boys to watch out for traps like this.</p>

<p>As someone who has dealt with victims of sexual assault in college and worked with the college judicial system (I have been a Freshman RA for two years) I think that some of these postings are a bit off base. Both instances where residents have come to me about situations involved them being drunk and very VERY drunk. Yes, of course there will be some women/men who “cry” rape after they regret a sexual encounter, but there are also LOTS of people who do not. I think that by talking about this topic in terms of “traps” that women set is a bit belittling to those who have been raped. </p>

<p>Also, I think that while there are certain things that women/men can do to limit their chances of being victims of sexual assault (and some people don’t make smart decisions when it comes to their personal safety), when it comes down to it, it doesn’t matter how intoxicated you are. Whether a person hasn’t had a single thing to drink or is unconscious from drinking too much, a person can be raped.</p>

<p>“Two drunk people, neither says anything, one is incapacitated so couldn’t have given consent, other continues, it is rape in most states.”</p>

<p>This statement is extremely troubling. If a woman never says “no” and both the guy and the girl are drunk, I don’t see how this can be construed as rape.</p>

<p>“Supreme courts in at least five other states have ruled it is rape if a woman withdraws consent at any time and her partner doesn’t stop.”</p>

<p>I have to say the above statement is as equally dumb as the first quote. Are they saying if a woman withdraws consent a millisecond before the act is finished, it is considered rape. Whatever happened to common sense.</p>

<p>This discussion is bordering on the absurd. Equating an incident between two people who know one another, had too much to drink, and have different interpretations of what happened with a woman who is forcibly and violently raped by a knife-wielding intruder is demeaning and diminishes the seriousness of the latter occurrence.</p>

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<p>I don’t care what state law says. I don’t agree.</p>

<p>Won’t get you far if you have son ever brought up on rape charges. It may be first, second, or third degree rape based on circumstances, but it will still be rape, and the rapist will be branded a sex offender for life. The presence of a knife would be an “aggravating circumstance”. </p>

<p>And doesn’t have to be in school. The law makes no distinction between what goes on and off campus.</p>

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<p>I have read of cases of this but I would guess that the absolute numbers are tiny.</p>

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<p>The same thing is true in being killed by a wild animal, hit by a tornado, earthquake, flood, ice storm or car accident. In all of those cases, though, you can limit your risk exposure.</p>

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<p>That’s what juries are for.</p>

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<p>Yes, we saw that with the Duke Lacrosse case.</p>

<p>Take home message: Tell your boys (or girls) to watch out and know how to protect themselves: Part of parental duty anyway.</p>