<p>Pardon me, if I'm a little confused here. But, are you Mac4u, or merely speaking for him?</p>
<p>slipper... you have not been to Haverford lately...
i just got back from a trip there (and to Bryn Mawr) this week...
the students are very serious, but NON-competitive about their academics...
and seem to be genuinely "nice" kids with alot of integrity...
they also seem to be very normal and very well-rounded... lots of very
smart athletic types... </p>
<p>speaking of "values"... i'm still confused by how the heck "values" are defined by the OP... in any case, I must say that the tri-college consortium outside Philadelphia (Swarthmore, Haverford & Bryn Mawr) with their Quaker roots and honor codes were all incredibly impressive... if I had children, I would encourage them to seriously consider these outstanding schools...</p>
<p>LVQ, could you clarify something for all the posters giving advice.
You are a senior waiting for news from the colleges you have already applied to, right?</p>
<p>Why not list those schools and then posters will "happily" engage in this discussion?
Wouldn't that assist you better? </p>
<p>I see you wrote :" I do have to say, nobody mentioned any of the Ivies, Stanford, Hopkins, MIT/Caltech, etc. Do you think I should be looking there?"</p>
<p>Did you already apply to these schools???</p>
<p>Ummm...HarvardandBerkeley that isn't very far off from what I said. They are nice kids, but not raging partiers. I never said they were competitive or non-athletic. A great place for a kid who wants to watch movies on the weekends.</p>
<p>slipper...</p>
<p>sorry... i took the "bow-tie" reference to mean conservative, uptight, straight-laced (I do think that's how most people would view someone who wore a bow-tie)... which Haverford is not at all... quite the opposite.</p>
<p>No I didn't mean Tucker Carleson lol. I meant more goodie-goodie-ish, but very nice and open.</p>
<p>I truely object to the title of this thread. Why does "values" mean only the values of a particular group that thinks their values are superior to the values of others? My values include right to privacy, separation of church and state, respect for the bill or rights, repeal of prohibition, not discriminating against those with different values, wanting to impeach President Bush for everything he stands for, etc. Which colleges reflect those values?</p>
<p>eulen...
chill out... i don't think the original poster meant
"values" in the fundamentalist Christian sort of way...</p>
<p>And even if he/she did, they have the right to find a college that aligns with their "values" no matter how wacked-out you, or I, or anyone else may think.</p>
<p>I agree though with your general point... "values" is a loaded word...
The original poster should have said "my values" or "my priorities" as opposed to "values" in general, as if there was one agreed upon definition.</p>
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My values include right to privacy
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Hmm...not many colleges offer singles...</p>
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speaking of "values"... i'm still confused by how the heck "values" are defined by the OP... in any case, I must say that the tri-college consortium outside Philadelphia (Swarthmore, Haverford & Bryn Mawr) with their Quaker roots and honor codes were all incredibly impressive... if I had children, I would encourage them to seriously consider these outstanding schools...
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<p>I agree with you. All three schools are well worth considering for a serious student interested in a relatively unpretentious, friendly environment. One minor correction: Swarthmore does not have an honor code. They simply have the expectation that students will be honest and hence do not feel the need for a formalized structure. Swarthmore students, in general, recoil at the emphasis on the honor code at Haverford -- although in actual practice, the schools are quite similar.</p>
<p>One of the reasons this thread is so confusing is that there are different definitions of "values". If we use the term to include social responsibility, community service, inclusiveness, and those sorts of things, then Bryn Mawr, Haverford, and Swarthmore would be strong contenders.</p>
<p>However, if we use the term in the way that Jerry Falwell throws around the term "family values" to represent a religious or politically conservative world view, then these three schools (along with virtually every other elite private college or university in the northeast) probably wouldn't be apt choices. For example, these schools are uniformly pro-choice, favorable to affirmative action, accepting of gay/lesbian students, etc. -- all things that would not fall under the pop culture definitions of "family values", I suppose.</p>
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My values include right to privacy </p>
<p>Hmm...not many colleges offer singles..."</p>
<p>Fewer and fewer countries offer a right to be free from unreasonable searches.</p>
<p>The schools do not have values. It is the students who have values. Students with values go to colleges that come in all shapes, sizes, and geographic locations!</p>
<p>Just what we need. Another ridiculous ranking....................</p>
<p>to get back to the original question-- when i was applying to schools, i was dealing with not hating alcohol but not wanting to take care of a drunken roomate or not being able to get to sleep right before a huge exam because of a neighbors loud music. substance-free dorms are a really great option; you get a much wider variety of schools to choose from and you're surrounded by people who you will most likely have a lot in common with. you seem like the perfect candidate.</p>