Colleges you/child crossed off the list after visiting

<p>Yeah, lay off the Georgetown girl. We all know today’s women have shed the shackles of a paternal society’s attempts to objectify them, and are way beyond caring about what sort of message their clothing sends. That’s why they never waste time looking in the mirror to see how they look in a certain outfit, and aren’t at all picky when they go shopping for clothes. They just throw on whatever utilitarian garb is handy, and march out to conquer the world with their brains, not their sex appeal.</p>

<p>So I say to you, evolved Georgetown tour guide, “You GO, girl! We all know any trampiness that may have been inferred by people was all in their own judgmental minds…when you got dressed that day, you didn’t give your outfit even 2 seconds of thought…and you didn’t let the fact that you’d be dealing with a slew of strangers on your tour affect your decision AT ALL!”</p>

<p>My son crossed off Stanford. He didn’t like the campus or the vibe there at all.</p>

<p>I don’t care for the physical surroundings of Stanford, either. Looks too much like a series of Taco Bells.</p>

<p>S1 didn’t like Wesleyan in CT …in spite of the gorgeous campus, amazing facilities and great football history. The tour guide was very stoic and the campus vibe he got by the end of the tour and info session did nothing to make him want to go back for another looksee.</p>

<p>^^^ Hahaha… That’s totally true! I never thought of it like that.</p>

<p>you can wear a short skirt and be classy with taste or make it look trampy which in my eyes is not a good thing. just my opinion and not the way I want my girls to dress.</p>

<p>I guess most of you think I’m splitting hairs but I can see describing clothes as messy, sloppy, unattractive, overly provocative, unattractive, uncomfortable short, a bit vulgar,etc. However the words “tramp” and “trampy” describe disapproval of female sexuality, and I just think those ideas are left in a by-gone era.</p>

<p>My D is very conservative in her dress so I am not sensitive on a personal note. I sometimes wonder why she is sooooooooo conservative (would never ever consider a bikini though she would look good in it) but she is.</p>

<p>I hope she would never call another young woman trampy. (Or really care what she wore for that matter.)</p>

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As a matter of fact, that is exactly how most of the tour guides that we saw on our college visits looked. They didn’t look slovenly, but neither did they look as though they chosen their clothes with special care, or on the basis of anything but comfort and basic presentability. Certainly none of them looked as if they thought their sex appeal (or lack thereof) was at all germane to the day’s activities. </p>

<p>(mythmom, once again I wish CC had a “like” button.)</p>

<p>IDK, we had a tour at Fairfield with a girl that was wearing a top that I can’t even describe. It had a deep-V neck, and was cut SO low that she could not have been wearing a bra, because she was displaying not only her cleavage but the BOTTOM of her breasts. It wasn’t anywhere close to appropriate for anything other than a nightclub. To add to the ensemble, she had a necklace featuring a large, multi-colored cross, which dangled down into the cleavage. D and I couldn’t figure out if the religious tone of the cross was meant to cancel out the over-exposed bosom, or if the bright colors of the cross were supposed to attract attention to the cleavage. Either way, it didn’t work or wasn’t necessary. The day we went was really crowded, a very full info-session being divided into multiple tours. I wonder if someone in the Admissions Office was cringing when they saw this girl’s top, but it was too late to tell her to change. Seriously, they MUST be given a dress code when they sign up as Tour Guides, right? Especially at a Catholic College?</p>

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<p>Maybe that’s why at Providence, they wear blazers. : )</p>

<p>Yeah, but ONLY blazers.</p>

<p>I think it was Forrest Gump who said “Trampy is what trampy does.”</p>

<p>St. Louis University – S wanted to see a Jesuit college. We were in town visiting Wash U anyway. Info session was scheduled first, then the tour.</p>

<p>Now we appreciate the concept of being “laid back”, but the admissions counselor kept making statements like “our average SAT is a 1220, but don’t worry if you’re not close to that” and “we have opportunities for community service, but it’s fine if you aren’t interested in that”, and the biggie (for my S) “if you’re one of those weird high school students who think physics and calculus are interesting”…I know he was trying to be funny, but it was just an awful thing to say.</p>

<p>And, when the guy explained the full-tuition Presidential Scholarship, S asked about stats and requirements. Out of the 950 or so that apply only 10% receive the scholarship, which is fine, except the student has to pay to fly himself to St. Louis to interview! No thank you!!</p>

<p>S did not want to stay for the tour.</p>

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<p>I just visited Harvard, Yale, MIT and Princeton.</p>

<p>Harvard- Was very surprised at how it was IN the thick of Cambridge. The city had a lot more going on than I expected. At first I didn’t like this, but then I did after walking around a bit. The info session was good. I liked the financial aid which seemed pretty amazing. Also I liked the opportunities for students in the school year and summer, abroad and internships. </p>

<p>MIT-Was my first choice before visiting, thought I couldn’t like it anymore. I was wrong, I was absolutely in love with MIT after my tour and info session. The atmosphere fit me perfectly, I loved the nerdy mischievous vibe. Hacks and MIT quirks (one dorm builds a roller coaster and has it ok-ed by profs and then rides it) sold me the most.</p>

<p>Yale- I knew I wouldn’t like it more than MIT, but I thought I’d like it as much as Harvard and Princeton, but I hated Yale from the moment we entered the campus. I hated New Haven, it felt like most of the buildings were offices and I didn’t feel the college town fun like at Harvard and MIT. It felt really cold to me. Plus, the info session was really unorganized and behind schedule and the speakers were not as passionate about Yale as the other speakers were about their schools. I don’t know exactly why I had such a strong negative reaction to Yale, but I was glad to be able to eliminate a school.</p>

<p>Princeton- The campus was beautiful but smaller than I expected. The town felt really small, yet still college-ish. I like the academics and atmosphere. If by some miracle I got into Harvard, MIT and Princeton, I would chose MIT. But I think if the choice was between Harvard and Princeton, I am currently more inclined to Harvard, only because of the town tough.</p>

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Pardon me if I’m misunderstanding you, but are you seriously saying you think the university should have paid your son’s plane fare to come to St. Louis to interview for a full-tuition scholarship?</p>

<p>That’s okay, nightchef. The application process for the scholarship is quite extensive and obviously includes a lot of work on the student’s part. SLU would already have many pieces of information that could help them make a decision. Perhaps they could offer a phone interview to kids who don’t live within driving distance. The idea of paying for my son to interview for a scholarship when the odds of his receiving said scholarship are less than being admitted to most ivies seems ludicrous.</p>

<p>I don’t know each and every school’s policy on this, but Wash U for example DOES pay for the students they pick to come interview for their full-tuition named scholarships…at least, the ones we asked about.</p>

<p>Edit: Checked on last year’s stats, and 500 kids were invited to travel to SLU to interview for a total of 30 spots.</p>

<p>Well, I read the first 6 or so pages and the last 3, with interest, but am skipping ahead to post before reading all the rest. I have to do laundry SOMEtime. lol.</p>

<p>Some people say not to visit schools until after being admitted: I personally am really really glad we have visited at least some schools because there is so much we learned about schools in general, from our visits.</p>

<p>D’s list is going to be really light on the big names but for those of us down here in possum country (Tejas) it might be of some enlightenment. :-)</p>

<p>We did actually visit Dartmouth last summer. D adored it. Sadly, we don’t think there is really any point in applying. Had she made rather enormous gains her junior year, she might have had a shot if the drama department liked her well enough to swing them. But…oh well. </p>

<p>She loved it, though. She loved everything about New England (as did I and my brother who went with us. She wants a change from Texas, bless her heart. Though my brother warned her she might not think it was so great after 4 months of winter. She brushes that off. She loves snow, or so she thinks after the entire 4 times she’s seen it in her life. ha.)</p>

<p>Don’t recall what the squirrels were like.</p>

<p>St. Edwards in Austin - loved it. Beautiful little campus, the prettiest dorms you ever saw - really cool tour guide who had hair in little blond pointy wave things and “looked like a goat.” In a cute way. Plus his girlfriend joined us and she was in theater too. All the fun of Austin without the bs of UT.</p>

<p>**Texas State in San Marcos **- she liked it pretty well; it was hot and it’s hilly. It has a lot of really great helpful programs, little things like free printing; those things could add up. Unfortunately, we asked the tour guide about theater and while she was really pretty informative and interesting, she sort of said, “oh yeah we totally have a theater program I think! it’s like over there somewhere!”. lol. Little did we know we were at one of the up and coming Texas theater program stars. We didn’t even see the theater. Now we have to go back. But the school itself, I think d could see herself there. Nice kids. </p>

<p>Typical Texas squirrels, yelling at you all the time.</p>

<p>University of North Texas in Denton - you know I toured that place with son too and it was okay, but I personally have had the worst time, every time, that I have attempted to wrest any information from those folks over the phone. It’s like talking to Lassie. “When are your tours?” “ARF!” “uh, do you mean nine o clock?” “ARF ARF!” not nine? Do you mean ten then?" “ARF ARF!” “not ten either?” “uh…nine thirty?” “ARF!” </p>

<p>Visited with D and she wondered (as did I) how it gets such a great reputation for performing arts. There was some specific stuff we saw that really concerned us. The professor from the department that we met with was really nice; I dunno, it might be worth a second look (except I get the impression they are reducing, not expanding, theater) but D felt like she needed a shower afterwards. Denton is crowded and grubby and the area around campus is not charming and quaint in the slightest. On d’s list, is lots of cool consignment stores and places to get bubble tea on the drag across from campus. Probably because she grew up thinking UT is the archetype of all schools. For the time being it is off the list. We will reconsider if the list ends up needing some reinforcement.</p>

<p>Squirrels seemed sort of depressed.</p>

<p>Stephen F Austin University in Nacogdoches. D said she “could see herself there.” Still wants to see what all her options are but I felt like a million pounds were off my shoulders because if everything else went sour, she and I both think she could be happy there. It was a safety all around (academic and cost and theater program) but JUST NOW changed their theater program to audition. So, not a true safety anymore. However, I really think her odds are very good. I get the impression they are just trying to weed out the kids who actually have no interest and are just going to school to keep mom and dad off their back and are taking theater cause they figure it’s easy, and frankly, that’s okay to weed those kids out. I really think any kid with some talent and a burning desire to grow in a theatre program would not be turned away, so hopefully it’s an almost safety in that department. I hope.</p>

<p>Beautiful town that has been unanimously and widely proclaimed to be wonderful and full of friendly and not overly conservative people. (for us few liberal types out here in Texas it can be wearying when even the colleges are extremely conservative…good grief) Daughter was pleased that color is purple. Totally can see herself in purple as opposed to orange. </p>

<p>Very happy squirrels and no wonder as they are the Lumberjacks, and of course d was singing the Lumberjack song and wondering how often she could sing that without getting thrown in the dumpster.</p>

<p>Oklahoma City University. The program is obviously tippy top for MT; our info session person was very helpful, the tour guide was good, but our admissions counselor (who had been enthusiastically described as being someone important for us to meet as he would be the one “advocating for us!!” for admissions and scholarships - happened to NOT BE THERE even though we had an appointment and our name was up on the marquis at the visitor center. Which was cool and seemed to indicate that our visit was important to them but they said he had an appointment with the bank…I understand sometimes someone just has to leave work, but I kind of feel when you have out of state kids visiting, you could maybe ask the bank to schedule you an hour later. Nor did they offer letting us see someone else. Daughter was rather bemused at this also. </p>

<p>Financial aid department was at first all hard line “loans schmoans! can’t place value on education! Will get a job! Everyone has loans! yada yada” but I kept at them until I got a little bit more info. </p>

<p>She would probably consider it IF she got in and IF she could afford it but it’s probably a reach. I’d say it was a mixed bag for us that day. Overall she seems to be discovering that she prefers a medium to larger sized school, unless it has a really metropolitan sophisticated vibe to the area like St Ed’s. But…one thing she is, is open minded, and she won’t refuse to at least consider most places. So far.</p>

<p>Dorm had the most unique and really thoughtful layout but the lobby…smelled like a nursing home…ick…</p>

<p>Didn’t notice the squirrels as there was a stray doggie following us.</p>

<p>OU - daughter loved it. (I did too) Wonderful school. Loved the people we met in the departments of MT and theater. Perfect mix of large and small for what she wants. The president’s wife rearranges the garden statues like they are her personal patio furniture, and he himself is highly involved and accessible considering the size of the school.</p>

<p>Really big squirrels.</p>

<p>We were utterly charmed. GAH I don’t want to go on too much because then EVERYONE will want to go there and she won’t get in. HAHA! Seriously, of all the flagship state schools within a 6 hour drive of us (which, freakily, is over half a dozen, in 4 different states) - we liked it best of all of them so far. Sadly, while it’s a nice match, a very attainable match for her academically and not out of reach financially, the program she wants to get into is harder to get into than an Ivy. Admittance rates of all who originally audition end up around one percent. But hey! If she wakes up one day and miraculously has decided she wants to be a business or education major she’s got it made.</p>

<p>I’ll update as we visit more…our philosophy is that we aren’t going to go broke visiting EVERY school on the list as we have more than most kids usually do, as she is going for theater and you have to apply to so many to up your chances at the auditions. But if we have a friend or a relative in the town, we’ve been visiting over this and last summer in leiu of vacation. The schools with on site auditions that are farther away, we will probably hold off visiting until audition day. We aren’t going to go flying around the country visiting every school she is slightly interested in, for sure.</p>

<p>I’m going to be a senior next year and recently toured almost all of the UCs, as well as USC. UC Irvine was nice, but really boring. Probably not going to apply there. USC was amazing but the surrounding area (and I mean the immediate surrounding are, like 5 feet off campus) was really awful. Still might apply but probably will not be going there. I was amazed by pictures I had seen of UC San Diego and it has been my dream school since I first read about it. It was just as perfect as I had imagined it to be. We drove through Cal Poly and UC Santa Cruz; I will not be applying to either one.</p>

<p>Someone mentioned that you can do walking tours of places if the tours themselves don’t work out. I agree, but I don’t think they work as well as regular college tours. in my case, I did both at Tufts - had a bad tour, the guide was kind of arrogant (at almost every. single. building. he had to mention something about how Tufts was as good as the Ivies. It was nice that he loved Tufts so much, but for example: Library - “Look, it’s not as big as Harvard’s, but it’s really nice! Did I mention that anyone here could get into Cornell?” A student behind me actually muttered “I can’t get into Harvard, that’s why i’m at Tufts,” which I thought was rather funny.)</p>

<p>So we decided to take the walking tour, which was available in the admissions office. Unfortunately, it more or less convinced me I didn’t want to go there - it was a beautiful Saturday afternoon, and the campus was literally dead. I also didn’t really like the layout of the college. Crossed that one off the list.</p>

<p>Snapdragonfly: Glad to know D2 and I aren’t the only ones taking the squirrels into account! We visited Georgia Tech in February and took one last walk around campus early Sunday morning before we headed home. The number of squirrels on campus that morning is difficult to describe; they were everywhere, so I can only assume they were happy! D2 was a bit disturbed by the number of squirrels there that morning, but it didn’t dampen her enthusiasm for GT.</p>

<p>Um, quick question: what’s with all the talk about squirrels? Is that perhaps a euphemism for another sort of creature I might not be pleased to see sauntering in large numbers around a campus?</p>