Colleges your child crossed off the list after visiting, schools that moved up on the list. Why?

D13 was not interested in doing any college visits. Not a single one! She applied to five schools as a transfer student from community college, and did not visit any of them before applying. When she found out she was accepted at her top choice, UIUC, she went to their Accepted Student event in the spring, loved everything about it, and that was that. Easy.

D16 was different. She was definitely interested in doing some college visits.

We went to U of MN - TC, which I loved, and which did nothing for her. Off the list.

St. Olaf, which we both thought was charming, but ultimately too small. It didn’t help that the tour guide kept saying how much there is to do on the weekends, but when pressed for examples, he came up completely blank! Off the list.

Augustana College and Kalamazoo College put the final nails in the coffin for small schools. Definitely off the list.

U of Iowa didn’t grab her. It was “just okay”. The perimeter of campus along the bars and restaurants and walking mall stunk strongly of stale cigarette smoke. She was alarmed by the number of homeless men she saw in the library and in the downtown mall. The weather that day was not great. She put in an application, but later told me it was dead last on her short list.

In the end, she applied to seven schools, having visited only two of them before putting in applications. Our strategy was to wait to hear about acceptances and merit packages first, then do some targeted visits. We ended up giving U of Kentucky two looks. D knew we were going to press her to take the money, so the two visits reassured her that she did not hate it, and in fact, could see herself happy there, even if it wasn’t her first choice.

It’s fair to say that EVERY college moved up or down as a result of a visit, but the most dramatic shifts were as follows. Disclaimer: Anything negative I say about a place is not intended to be a diss of a school someone else loves, just a snapshot of how one school can hit one family.

UP:

MIT: Visited totally on a lark, way early in the game and I was sure my kid would find it a total propeller-head turn-off. Turned out I was completely wrong, and he was entranced by the geeky enthusiasm of our guides, and the intense vibe of the place. Which set my wheels turning for how he could get that at a more accessible school. (Which is how Case and U Rochester ended up on our final list, despite a general bias towards LACs.)

College of Wooster: Last-minute add to the visit list, and we almost skipped it out of visit fatigue, but we were deeply impressed by the admissions office reception, the personal attention we received, and the very attractive facilities.

DOWN:

CU - Boulder: I’d imagined it would be a sort of crunchy outdoorsy school with excellent science resources, but instead we encountered kids who seemed very preoccupied with their personal appearance (the library seemed more like a pickup zone than a study zone), and an overwhelming sense from various reports that it was a party school. It didn’t help that the tour guide used the word “awesome” in every other sentence and emphasized the extensive athletic facilities (and buffalo-shaped pool) over anything else.

Ohio Wesleyan: This seemed appealing on paper, but our visit was just flat-out depressing. Tour guide exclaimed over things we thought would be baseline requirements, posters in the science building seemed amateurish, and the admissions officer we encountered seemed desperate. Plus there was a ton of construction.

Oberlin: Seemed almost ideal on paper, and I was sure driving in that it was The Place. Info session was solid, and then it was all downhill from there. Buildings seemed dingy, the students we encountered seemed tired and edgy, freshman dorm common rooms were flat-out depressing and we ended up having a huge hassle eating in the cafeteria guarded by an extremely rude and unwelcoming lunch monitor.

@porcupine98 – The Oberlin lunch monitor was there to make sure you weren’t a Republican. They say that the only political debates at Oberlin are between the socialists and the communists.

Ha, no, I think she was just on a power trip.

“CU - Boulder: I’d imagined it would be a sort of crunchy outdoorsy school with excellent science resources”

It is an outdoorsy school, but all the outdoorsy kids are outdoors, not in the library. Okay, some are by the Buffalo shaped pool.

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Except when they’re jumping into the dorm ball pits.

^^I did mean it lightheartedly, but it is true that there are some students at CU who are just never there. They are off hiking or biking or skiing most of the time and are only at campus for classes. My brother was like that and didn’t do any ‘studenty’ things, he just went to class, the rec center, and skiing. It is not considered strange or anti-social, just who they are. There are also many there just for the parties. The vast majority fall somewhere in between and are students looking for a good education with a little fun thrown in.

I’m enjoying this thread so much because it shows that every school isn’t for every kid. My daughter was going through the motions, resigned to having to pick a school but not really wanting to. They all seemed the same to her. The day she found ‘her place’ it was like the heavens opened and a light shined down on her. I swear there was music coming from the clouds and birds flying around her, a sort of ‘Julie Andrews spinning on the mountains’ moment . Just yesterday she told me that some friends wish she’d gone to Rollins, a school I think is the cutest ever and I would have loved it for me, or for her sister, but not her. I told her they would have made you take all those awful classes like English and history and social justice and she would have hated it. She just said, “I know, I would have hated it.”

She’s happy in the land of math and engineers.

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Great story, and yes, exactly why I’m enjoying it.

Posting for D, we visited these schools this past Summer in the following order:

Down-- Princeton: she didn’t like the suburban location, the eating club, she had concern about their social life in general. She fell asleep during the presentation and didn’t even want to wait for the tour (she did the tour several years ago when an older brother applied). So, we just walked through the campus as a self tour and left.

Up++ UPenn: the tour guide was so friendly and helpful. The college presentation was very useful and informative. It became D’s top choice until she visited Yale. She liked the location (Philadelphia) and the campus and the Locust Walk and the Quadrangle. At first she liked the quad (dorm), but later had some concern about housing and roommate arrangements. But at the time of application, UPenn was one of her top choices and she showed it in her essays and interview.

Up+++ Yale: the college presentation was very helpful and funny. The tour guide was so friendly and helpful about everything - student life, academics, residential college, extracurriculars, etc… My D fell in love with the school right away and it became her top choice. Especially liked the residential college system, their inclusive culture (very very important to my D), and the fact that all students have no worries about housing arrangement for four years and the food seemed to be very good too. My D wants to be in premed and the tour guide was also a premed, but she was still heavily involved in several extracurriculars as a ballet dancer and other things. She liked the campus location in New Haven.

Down-- Brown: the orientation building was in heavy construction, struggled to find room for the college presentation. The presentation was done by two undergraduate students, talking about the open curriculum, and everything seemed disorganized. We felt that the lack of structure of open curriculum is confusing and did not like it any better than tough core curriculum (such as of Columbia or Caltech). The tour guide was friendly, but the whole thing (presentation and tour) felt utterly disorganized and my D didn’t like the experience at all - she didn’t like the campus. Everything just appeared in disarray for this visit: construction, college presentation by undergrad students not by admission staff, open curriculum without any structure - each student makes up their own curriculum, all courses could be taken as Pass/Fail, etc.

No-change: Williams: although the location was a minus, surrounded by mountains and isolated, the tour guide was nice and informative.

No-change to Down- Amherst: Both the presentation and tour guide were very helpful. She didn’t like the campus as much, but she liked very much the large freshman dorm room. They made a big deal about the four-college consortium (with UMass and a couple of others) but she felt uneasy about it, especially taking courses in other colleges.

Up+ MIT - the tour guide was funny and helpful. The presentation was not that useful in which they made a big deal about rejecting an applicant who built a nuclear reactor in his garage. But D liked the campus and the gym, the pool especially. The housing was a bit of concern.

Down-- Harvard: The college presentation was arrogant. They emphasized the applicants should be nice people. But they were not very nice themselves as the tour guide and the college presenter were snobbish. The campus seemed non-existent with busy traffic, large street and many tourists. Didn’t like the visit experience at all.

Down- Dartmouth: The college presentation and tour guide were nice and informative (although the guide seemed inexperienced and said the same thing repeatedly). The location was a huge minus, too isolated from everywhere. Felt uneasy about their one Summer term requirement and the term away from campus.

Up+ Cornell: The presentation was somewhat boring, but the tour guide was very nice and helpful. The campus was beautiful. Before visit, D didn’t think much of it, but after the visit, Cornell became one of her favorites (after Yale and UPenn). Although their University organization is somewhat negative (with CALS, Hotel, ILS?, etc.), she didn’t mind it at all because she wanted to apply to Arts and Sciences from the beginning. The tour guide did a good job introducing the large campus and various colleges effectively while walking the group though most of the beautiful campus.

It wouldn’t be CC without me hoping that some of you are looking at safeties and matches, too. :smiley:

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I think MIT should “retire” the nuclear reactor in the garage story. I am sure with all the apps they are getting they can find something new to say.

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@doschicos the thread title was about the change of opinions AFTER the college visits with respect to any held before the visit. Those colleges were all we visited, and she applied to a few others for safety, but didn’t do the visits (so no change in opinion :D). And the problem of applying to a ‘safety’ school w/o visit became apparent when she had interview – the interviewer asked what she liked the most about the campus, and she couldn’t answer it (obviously) and they waitlisted her :(( . Exactly the same question came up in a ‘skype’ interview for a school she did visit but had a very poor impression – she couldn’t answer it well. [So, if you are going to apply anyway even to the school where your opinion deteriorated, make sure to remember one or two ‘specifics’ about the campus that gave you a positive impression.

@am9799 I agree. I didn’t see the merit of that story, although they seemed to say it to emphasize they look at students more holistically (than just their ‘tech’ skills and talents.) Their admission rate is extremely low both in EA and in RD even though they don’t do common app. I wondered what would happen if they change to the common app (like Columbia and UChicago did a few years ago – their ranks jumped a lot).

@dadofs that is interesting that her safety waitlisted her. Did she get into any of the colleges you mentioned?

@Lindagaf

After she said to the question that she didn’t visit, the interviewer became very annoyed and cut off the interview, so the report should have been bad. She got in all others.

got in three, wailisted in two.

@dadofs
My comment was prompted by your post a little but not just yours - there are others listing all reaches with acceptance rates sub 10%. Congrats on your daughter having multiple great acceptances. Others here are posting earlier in the process as they visit colleges for the coming year’s application so it doesn’t hurt for me to mention it.

As far as your daughter’s safeties, I think it is a good idea to visit safeties as well as reaches and matches. By doing so, your daughter could have answered the interviewers question which wasn’t a relative merit question vs. other schools she applied to, or she’s not choosing the right safeties if she can’t. But, all is well that ends well!

I still think its worth mentioning it because every year here on CC we see instances where it doesn’t work out the way it did for your daughter.

Back to the fun thread…

@doschicos I am not sure what your point is about safeties or reaches because this thread is about the positive/negative impressions/opinions after the visit of college. You can’t write about schools you didn’t visit.

And enjoy your fun thread …

Update to my post from 4-19- DD got unexpected scholarship from Lafayette so decided at 11th hour to take another trip. School did a fabulous job of wooing my daughter and we all fell in love- beautiful campus like before but in addition the vibes and academics and everything else felt right and we even enjoyed Easton and its new public food market. She did a 180 and just committed to Lafayette and we are thrilled! I think part of the difference was how warm and welcoming everyone was but it also made a difference with this being a targeted visit just to that school, rather than the last school during a long college tour…
Reminds me so what of a wine tasting party we attended once- you rated the red wine from 1-5 while nibbling cheese and crackers. I remember at the very end going back to some I had confidentially rated at the beginning and totally changing my ratings- liked what I had net at the beginning and vice versa… I guess for me at least I may need more than one visit to a place to be certain…

@MariettaDad As a Carnegie Mellon student, that is pretty shocking for me to hear. I can imagine why some CS students could come across as overbearing (I personally know some CS students who frequently host overnight students that fit the description). Anyone who says there’s nothing to do on campus must not get out much and the fact that your child was invited to a strip club is extremely bizarre. Wow.

I’m making a bit of a guess here, but I think the famous “nuclear reactor in the garage reject” was possibly Taylor Wilson, who was only 14 when he applied. I could be wrong though.

You can see Taylor interviewed on a recent episode of HBO’s Vice: http://cleantechnica.com/2016/04/20/hbos-vice-looks-energy-future/

^If that is true then it is not like they did not accept him because of holistic admissions and such. I bet it was very clear that he would not stay and be a student there and he would have dropped out to pursue his interest. As far as I know he chose not to go to college. Even more reasons to retire the story.

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